A Day at the Races

[zimal2]

At the end of the 55% solution (interesting discussion about finding the place horse) is an ad for a pamphlet by Dick Schmidt entitled A Day at the Races detailing handicapping a day at Saratoga. I wonder if anyone has a copy to lend or sell. Thanx
Zim

[gfnut]

I think they talk about that book here.


http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76495

[shoeless]

There was a book A Week at the Races with Hambleton and Schmidt using Phase 1 numbers

[Ted Craven]

Well, 'Zim' is asking because he asked me a while ago and I 'thought' I had it because someone sent it to me for scanning and adding to the Library. But I just can't seem to find it - maybe I sent it back to the person who sent it. And worse, I can't at the moment remember who that person was :(:eek: (I thought serious memory loss started much later in life ...).

So, if you're out there (who sent it to me), did I return it to you and forgot? Did I send it to someone else for scanning assistance? LOL!

Zim, I hope someone else can find it for you. Let us know!

Ted

[tom]

I am pretty sure I have it somewhere. I was there for the Albany seminar and we had a great day at the races. I'll look this weekend for it.

[Ted Craven]

Thanks Tom!

[zimal2]

Still interested if you get a chance to look for it Tom. Thanx Zim

[tom]

Can't find it, but I think I may have loaned it to a friend. I will see him tomorrow and hopefully he will have it.

[tom]

Found it!!

152 pages total.
20 pages of picking contenders, unmarked copies of the past performances,
Sections on Class and APV, PBS numbers, Pluses and zeros form cycles, ESP by Tom Brohamer, how read Energy! readouts, then analysis of all 9 races, then a few articles by Bert Mayne, Doc, and The Hat.

I will find someone to scan it for me. I'm sure someone around here must offer that service. Then I will send it to Ted to share with everyone.

Thumbing through it the last half hour.....going to be up late tonight! :D

[Ted Craven]

Thank you Tom! You can send up to a 5 Mb email attachment to support@sartinmethodology.com (maybe in a ZIP) or Dropbox them and send me the link. I'll get it uploaded here.

The fellow who sent that to me earlier this year (and I have misplaced it temporarily) also sent me 'A week at the races with 2 pros' so when I find them both, I'll get this last one scanned and upload it too.

Ted

[zimal2]

Thanks Tom and Ted for the effort. Look forward to reading both. Zim

[GeorgeC5614]

Did you ever find anyone to scan it for you?

[Ted Craven]

Both of these 'A Day at the Races' and 'A Week at the Races With Two Pros' should be posted to the Sartin Library within a few days!

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:)

Ted

[GeorgeC5614]

Thank you!

[Peteman]

Thank you,

tom and ted,looks like a good read.

[noddub62]

Ted,

I would gladly contribute $100 to the scanning fund for these two books.

Thanks,

Bud:)

[Ted Craven]

Thank you Bud for your generous offer! I have them all scanned now, just uploading and getting the links organized for a new Sartin Library entry. I will try my utmost to get this done by the end of the day today, and report back.

Ted

[Ted Craven]

Hello Folks,

Announcing the newest addition to the Sartin Library Manuals department:

A Day at the Races (http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10306)

A Week at the Races with Two Pros (http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=101742&postcount=1)


Two manuals from the early 1990's describing The Sartin Methodology approach of the day, including TPR 'Pace Makes the Race' numbers and methods, Brohamer's MPH ratings, track and decision models, APV, Energy analysis and the Inner Game of Handicapping. By Dick Schmidt, Tom Hambleton, Dr Howard Sartin, Tom Brohamer, Jim 'The Hat' Bradshaw, Bert Mayne, Bob Purdy and Michael Pizzolla.

A very special Thank You to Victor M for providing me with these manuals to scan so many months ago (sorry it took so long)!

Enjoy!

Ted

[Mr.Pagine]

Ted and gang......thanks for this.
My weekend reading just became an educational one.

Happy Punting!!

[mowens33]

Ted, I’m in the process of reading a Day at the Races and noticed that some of the older programs had a section on the Matchup (Pace- Dream Race). How if any is this concept calculated in RDSS? For instance if I use the recommended Best Preceptor, last three comparable is this concept taken into consideration in the RDSS readout?

The reason I ask this question is that I use RDSS as a match-up tool and select the pace line (with some other things taken into consideration-Tandem/Form/Class) that best represents today's predicted pace line.

Another question I have is to how APV%/Class is used in the BL calculations?

I’m on part one and my thought is that I will have other questions, so I hope I’m not covering old topics, but if I am can you point me in the right direction?

Thanks, Mike

[oswaldrha]

Ted,
Thanks so much for making these materials available for us. Also, thanks to those who provided the original source materials.

[Ted Craven]

Ted, I’m in the process of reading a Day at the Races and noticed that some of the older programs had a section on the Matchup (Pace- Dream Race). How if any is this concept calculated in RDSS? For instance if I use the recommended Best Preceptor, last three comparable is this concept taken into consideration in the RDSS readout?

The reason I ask this question is that I use RDSS as a match-up tool and select the pace line (with some other things taken into consideration-Tandem/Form/Class) that best represents today's predicted pace line.

Another question I have is to how APV%/Class is used in the BL calculations?

I’m on part one and my thought is that I will have other questions, so I hope I’m not covering old topics, but if I am can you point me in the right direction?

Thanks, Mike

Mike, good questions! Look at Pages 7 & 8 which show some readouts from Synergism II and Energy, including 'Dream Race' grids. Synergism shows velocity numbers and Energy show % of Total energy by segment. The portrayal is similar: The BEST value of any segment (the 'Dream') is shown on Top so you can see how the other values compare to it (if you do some mental comparisons).

On the (upper) Synergism readout at the right, you also see the 'computed 2nd call beaten length' dream-race readout, showing variance from the Best 2nd call number (not shown) expressed in a beaten-length style where in-the-lead is 0 beaten lengths (aka 0 variance from the best 2nd call number).

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RDSS shows a similar portrayal on the Segments screen and also on the Primary Screen. On the Segments screen, we extend the 2nd call differential from best (difference from the 'dream number' to also show the 1st Call and the Finish (we don't show 2nd fraction or 3rd Fraction in this format). But it is attempting to deliver the same information, perhaps with more impact?, as the Dream Race Grids of earlier years: which segmental value is the best of all horses in the grid, who set that best value and better yet, by how much do they deviate from it, where do they fall short, etc. The colour coding, ranking and showing gaps between, do a lot better job showing the 'dream' concept - we just don't duplicate the best number at the top of each column, though we certainly use it internally. The Segments screen is (currently) sorted by Final Computed Beaten Lengths, though it could be (and will be) sortable by any other column, such as the 2nd Call.

One way of seeing in RDSS the otherwise missing F2 and F3 'dream race' info (though not the differential gaps) is simply on the Velocity Screen: all colour coded and ranked to make it easier to see who possesses the best F2 and F3 values

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Another way of showing the 'dream race' portrayal of information is on the Primary Screen. All 7 Primary factors, and including the TPR factor set (in RDSS: EPR, LPR, CPR) show not only who has the Best value, but also the gap between values. Using your eye to scan for RED colour, you can easily see who has the Best of each factor , and by how much that is better than the competition (aka - all the components of the 'dream' concept). These % differentials for each factor are what makes up Perceptor Total (a horizontal sum of % differentials, which sum itself is then shown as a % differential from Best). FYI, Perceptor Total is none other than the 'F6' key in Validator (a means of ranking pacelines by the line score of their Primary Factors).

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APV and CR Class Rating are not mixed into BLBL (the weighted line score of the Primary Factor set). However, CR is displayed on EVERY Analysis screen in the colour coding of the Program #, which is a measure of how impactful that rank can be in getting contenders, if not finally betting prospects. I have seen that any amount of modeling of CR (and perhaps to a lesser extent APV) will show that the Top 3 are present in in-the-money finishes in an impactful percentage of races across tracks and (probably to a fluctuating degree) by race classes. Not sure anymore if it does a better job than Composite Speed Rating (CSR), but there it is.

For myself, I would rather make independent decisions on Class derived from relative Purse value (APV), Earnings per Start and ITM finish % (which is what CR is), rather than have it muddy the velocity/energy derived BLBL, and the velocity/energy/deceleration derived VDC readouts. The more 'non-correlated' (and reliable) readouts that point to the same horse(s), the more weight I would place in the 'consensus' of those 'opinions'. (Other readouts non-correlated to various ways of slicing and dicing and mixing velocities would be money and consistency derived CR, public betting opinion and biases from live tote, past odds readouts, position-bias and pressure based readouts like NewPace and The Matchup. I omit trainer, jockey, breeding info, though some people are into that).

Mike. hope that helps give a perspective of the continuity (or evolution) of traditional concepts to their present day representation.

Ted

[mowens33]

Ted, Great Stuff!

I appreciate you taking the time with this detailed explanation!!

Thanks, Mike