waiver claiming

[papajohn3times]

Hi all!
Trying to post a question I did it once but forgotten now.Ted told me how once but that email was lost by me Here goes! Can anyone tell me what waiver claiming races are? I' see they have them now at Oaklawn
Thanks!
papajohn3times

[Bill V.]

They are claiming races

From Equibase

WCL Waiver Claiming
"A claiming race in which one or more horses may be declared ineligible to be claimed by the owner per state regulations."

Bill

I don't think its a good idea to ad your email address
to post
I can delete it if you want me to

[papajohn3times]

ok Bill delete it,I was just not sure the message would go thru otherwise! Thanks for the reply. I await all of your posts because they are precise and always to the point. I will have more questions in the future and am trying to set up the right(or at least what I think is right for me)to handicap races. My only complaint is that sometimes threads are started and then not finished but I'll take any advice I can get
I have been a Sartin devotee for many years but gave up racing for almost 12 years. I started getting a new intrest about this time last year and wrote to Ted and he has helped me so so much over this year. I look foreword to you,FOR THE LEAD,TED AND RITCHIE P. Hope I can do better soon and with some advice for you and a few others,I should be ok
Thanks again Bill

[Lt1]

Hi papa. The folks on this site are very helpful so feel free to post any questions you may have. Bill is indeed one of the most helpful folks here and his input is top shelf.
Tim G

[For The Lead]

What is a WAIVER CLAIMING RACE?

Waiver claiming races are a fairly new concept in horse racing. The idea is to protect owners who are returning a horse to racing after having been off for an extended period of time. Most times the reason for the extended layoff is due to an injury. With Vet bills, feed bills and training fees, to name a few, this can become a very expensive ordeal for the owner, so laws have been passed to allow such an owner to return his horse to racing without fear of losing the horse through the claim box the very first race back. There are, however, certain criteria the owner must adhere to in order to qualify.

1 – the period of time the horse has been off is the first requirement. “GENERALLY” it must be 6 months (180 days) but this can be different from state to state. As an example, in NY the horse must be off for 180 days, while in PA the requirement is only 120 days.
2 – there is also a regulation in place that would prohibit an owner from dropping his horse down in class and “stealing” a purse. Therefore, in order to qualify, the owner must return his horse to the races at a level equal to or greater than the last race the horse ran in competitively.

Note: even if a horse qualifies, it is not automatically ineligible for a claim. The owner must declare the horse as not eligible to be claimed at the time of entry.

[dogkatcher]

Welcome back For the Lead, you've been missed.
Hope all is well, and look forward to your posts.

[shoeless]

FTL glad to see you posting as well

[Tim Y]

akin to the higher class of optional claiming for higher class horses hovering between claiming and allowance rating.

[Bill V.]

akin to the higher class of optional claiming for higher class horses hovering between claiming and allowance rating.

No I do not think so, Here is a waiver claimer from a 25000 maiden claimer
The 2nd choice in the betting #10 was not eligible to be claimed


42171

[Bill V.]

As per FTL's nice explanation.

The #10 has been off over 300 days It returns to the same 25000 MC
level, as its one and only start


42172

[Tim Y]

Add another name, but it is the same principle: allowing a level of race competition that lets SOME of the horses in the field be eligible to be claimed and some NOT...Simple as that

[Bill V.]

No sir, It is more than just a different name ,Optional claimers are carded to increase field sizes Many tracks do not have enough horses to fill the Allowance 1,2,3x races
So they allow claiming horses in to compete and fill the race will the non winner X types, The claimers can move up and down But they should be able to compete against the allowance horses with out the fear of them being claimed .

If you read FTL's explanation you will see how the 10 HORSE above is permitted to waive any claim, The horse has been off 327 days It was hurt, after its only start.
The owner had to feed and nurse the horse back for 1 yea. Costing lots of money out of pocket.
Now that its ready to run. The owner wants something back to recoup the cost of care , with out having to drop the horse to a lower claiming level and loose even more money

Both conditions optional and waiver are carded to fill races , but they are not the same:-)
Bill

[Tim Y]

No matter the reasons BEHIND IT: they are the same, i.e.limited liability for a claim within trying to keep a race competitive. Nothing MORE, nothing LESS.

To view them as different is to be splitting hairs WELL BEYOND rationality

[Bill V.]

No matter the reasons BEHIND IT: they are the same, i.e.limited liability for a claim within trying to keep a race competitive. Nothing MORE, nothing LESS.

To view them as different is to be splitting hairs WELL BEYOND rationality

Tim, once again I offer you facts , yet all you can do is contradict with your opinion, :)

I guess you know more than the Daily Racing form NYRA, California and the Maryland Racing Commission :eek:

From The DRF,

Waiver Claiming Races

Exactly what FTL wrote, and fits horse 10 above to a T.

" An owner may opt to declare a horse ineligible from claimed provided the horse has not stated for a minimum of 180 days and the horse is entered
for a claiming price egual to or greater than the price at which it last started.

The owner must declare his horse ineligible to be claimed at the time of entry, and the horse will be ineligible o be claimed only for the first start
following the layoff."

"The purpose of the rule is to reward those people who have taken care of their horses" said Dan Eidson, the secretary for the New York Racing Association. " It gives them a little incentive. It works well in California"

Optional Claiming Races.

From the Maryland Racing Commission

1. The winner of an Optional Claiming Race, If entered not to be claimed,
shall be considered a winner of an allowance race,

2. A winner of an Optional Claiming Race if entered to be claimed, Shall be
considered a winner of a claiming race

There you go They are 2 separate racing conditions.

Bill