RDSS Tutorial Webinar #2

[Ted Craven]

Guest handicapper - Tim G (Lt1) :jump:

Wednesday April 28, 2021 starting 1pm Eastern Time (pre-meeting starting 12:50 for technical checks, etc).

The meeting has ended. Please see the video recording further below.

As previously, the meeting will be recorded for posterity. Questions can be posed in the Chat box.

Tim will work some races at PRX , giving us a detailed look at how he uses RDSS and some other tools and guidelines to work his handicapping magic.

Come one, come all!

Ted

[elocutionist]

Thanks Tim and Ted, much appreciated.

Phil

[Ted Craven]

Thanks Tim for your insights and illustration of your use of the Scott Form Factors for identifying true Win contenders, or demoting horses from Win contention.

Here is that document for people to download and read, maybe review this video again with that document handy:

Scott's Form Factors (http://sartinmethodology.com/library/Scotts_Form_Factors.pdf) (from William L Scott's book: How Will Your Horse Run Today). Document compiled by Mick T (thanks Mick!)

The video replay of today's webinar will follow soon.

Ted

[gptx]

Thanks Tim, Ted, and Mick!

Great seminar Tim!

[Ted Craven]

Here is the video of the webinar:

www.sartinmethodology.com/video/RDSS.Tutorial.2021.04.28.mp4 (http://www.sartinmethodology.com/video/RDSS.Tutorial.2021.04.28.mp4)

Ted

[barb craven]

Thanks Ted, Tim and Mick. I'm sorry I had to leave early, but will watch the video, probably more than once. Great job all.
Barb

[Bill Lyster]

Thanks Tim for all your hard work.

As it relates to PRX races how do you handle PEN racelines, or do you?

It seems like all LRL lines at PRX produce lines that are skewed towards being more sustained than PRX, yes , no ?

Lines from AQU or anywhere in the big time circuit on the east coast?

Thanks, Bill

[Lt1]

Hi Bill. Bill I just let the program take care of any adjustment. I don't worry about what track the paceline is from. I do know that horses coming from Penn to Parx don't usually fare well[the opposite is true Parx to Penn. The most notable exceptions are those trained by the Beattie family[ they command respect]. As far as horses from the"big time circuits' well frankly they don't worry me. I learned a long time ago [having been a long time NYRA player only] that the bottom is the bottom at any track and they are not as overwhelming as people tend to think. I learned that lesson watching horses trained by the Engleharts and Charlie Baker[before they became known to NY] ship in and win
N.Y shippers lose a lot of races at Parx at short prices.
Tim

[57viking]

Thanks Tim for sharing your methodology. It was very helpful to see it specifically applied to a race. Jim

[Old Arkie Gal]

Thanks Tim for all the work and good info. I am always intrigued with others approaches to handicapping.
Thanks Ted for setting these up.
Pat

[Lt1]

Thanks Ted for putting up with my rambling.
Tim

[Lt1]

Thanks GPTX,BILL,BARB,JIM.& PAT.
tIM

[Bill Lyster]

Hi Bill. Bill I just let the program take care of any adjustment. I don't worry about what track the paceline is from. I do know that horses coming from Penn to Parx don't usually fare well[the opposite is true Parx to Penn. The most notable exceptions are those trained by the Beattie family[ they command respect]. As far as horses from the"big time circuits' well frankly they don't worry me. I learned a long time ago [having been a long time NYRA player only] that the bottom is the bottom at any track and they are not as overwhelming as people tend to think. I learned that lesson watching horses trained by the Engleharts and Charlie Baker[before they became known to NY] ship in and win
N.Y shippers lose a lot of races at Parx at short prices.
Tim

Very much appreciate your inputs.

Thanks,

[Mitch44]

Thanks Ted and Tim, nice to see the Scott factors explained. I enjoyed the session very much.


Mitch44

[Lt1]

Thanks Mitch.
Tim

[papajohn3times]

Great job Tim! I knew you wouldn't spit the bit. I couldn't get on zoom in time but I watched about half of your presentation! Love your New York accent! :how you doin!
John

[darmar]

Flawless presentation Tim even if you couldn't get the cursor to behave.
Darryl

[Lt1]

Thanks John and Darryl. Hey John it took a lot of practice to perfect that accent. Darryl I'm lucky I can turn the computer on let alone doing all this new fangled stuff.
Tim

[raceman5]

Job Tim really enjoyed it. and thank you Ted for making this available.

Bob

[Lt1]

Thanks Bob.
Tim

[Ted Craven]

Thanks Ted for putting up with my rambling.
Tim

T'ain't rambling at all if real, useful knowledge is being passed out :)

Thanks Tim for sharing your approach to getting a race. 2 down, 998 more to go (of the 1000 ways to work a race).

Ted

[ignacio todoberto bernal]

Thanks Tim,Ted and all,,,,,,,,,,,,



NASH.......

[The Pook]

Tim,

I watched the whole video. You really know your stuff and have developed a good solid approach to the game that works for you.

Impressed,

Pook

[Lt1]

Thanks Mike. Good luck with your contest.
Tim

[mick]

Thanks Tim for your insights and illustration of your use of the Scott Form Factors for identifying true Win contenders, or demoting horses from Win contention.

Here is that document for people to download and read, maybe review this video again with that document handy:

Scott's Form Factors (http://sartinmethodology.com/library/Scotts_Form_Factors.pdf) (from William L Scott's book: How Will Your Horse Run Today). Document compiled by Mick T (thanks Mick!)

The video replay of today's webinar will follow soon.

Ted

Ted, you're welcome and I'm sure Tim did a great job. I had the privilege of being a guest in Tim and Sue's home near Belmont and I watched Tim perform his magic. Not only is he a great guy, he's one of the best horse players I've ever known. My life has been enriched by the friendships I've gained by being a part of the Pace and Cap family.

[Lt1]

Thanks for the kind words Mick. You are always welcome to visit again if you are in the area. And thanks again to you for doing that wonderful recap of the Scott material.
Tim

[shoeless]

Tim

Enjoyed your presentation, I like how you incorporate non Sartin stuff
into your handicapping process with RDSS

Jeff

[Lt1]

Thanks Jeff.
Tim

[shoeless]

You were talking about using Quirin as a contender eliminator,can
you go into using that.

Jeff

[Lt1]

Hi Jeff. I use his failure guidelines in Chap 10 his book Winning At The Races. He details the difference between a bad race and a failure[a lot of people tend to think a bad race in the last dooms the horse]. And yes I generally downgrade a horse which has a failure in its' last race[ in some races every contender has some kind defect and then I leave the tier rank stand]. It is important to read the conditions of the race. For example the 4 in race 2 last 2 races were for $12,500 but look carefully and you will see that 2 back was a condition n2l race while the last was for open company. That would make a the difference in charging the horse with a failure or not. For instance 2 back it finished 2nd. If the last race was also a 12,500 n2l it would have considered a failure because it did not accomplish what it had done 2 back if it didn't have the trouble excuse.
Tim


Tim

[Lt1]

A good example of a failure if you back on the 4 to Nov19 of last it finished 3rd then on Dec 12th it ran against 25k claimers and finished 5th a bad race but not a failure since it had not shown it could compete at that level. On Jan 1 it returns to the 16k level and runs 6th.This is a failure since it failure to accomplish what it did on Nov 19TH AT 16K.
Tim

[shoeless]

Hi Tim

Thanks very much for the explanation. makes sense

Jeff

[Lt1]

Your welcome Jeff.
Tim