2023 Bill Varone Memorial Cup - Rules & Signup

[The Pook]

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Contest to take place May 6,7,20,21(will include Derby & Preakness)
Open to all PaceandCap members as of April 30, 2023
regardless of handicapping method or software used.


A $50 entry fee is payable by PayPal to the Contest winners at the end.
Each day, you get a $100 mythical bankroll to wager for that day. One card of races will be announced the day before each race day. Players must be involved in a minimum of 30% of all Contest races over the 4 days. Horizontal bets count as 1 'race'. No more than $100 bet per day but a minimum of $200 over the 4 days. Top 4 day ROI% wins. Betting pools permitted: Win, Place, Exacta, and Doubles.
In the spirit of Bill Varone's love of teaching, players are encouraged to provide some explanations for their selections from time to time, though this is not required.

The Prize Fund will be determined by the total entry fees.
(plus some other prizes) with 70% of entry fees going to the Winner and 30% to the 2nd place finisher. Non winning contestants will be advised of amounts to send by PayPal to the winners. Players are on their honour to pay their entry fees at the end.

The Contest closes for entries at 9pm Eastern Friday May 5.
The Contest will be held only if there are a minimum of 5 signed-up Contestants.

'May the 4 horse be with you!'

[The Pook]

Post to this thread to enter.

[The Pook]

Pook is in.

Pook

[shoeless]

Pook

Nice of you in remembering Bill

Jeff

[Ted Craven]

I'm in!

[kahunab]

I am in!

[The Pook]

We have Pook, Ted Craven and Kahunab so far.

You in Shoeless? Be a nice way to honour your friend.

Pook

[shoeless]

Pook

No I will not be entering, have a good contest

[mowens33]

I'm in!

[CheckMark]

I'm in!

Thanks for holding the contest once again Pook and best of luck to all of the players in this years Bill V contest :thumb:

[The Pook]

We got five! The contest is live!

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark

[cdax]

I'm in.

Can't do worse than I did last time.

Good luck everyone.

[The Pook]

Okay. Current roster.

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark
Cdax

Pook

[The Pook]

Come On Folks
Step Right Up
And Get Your Name
On The BV Cup


With Buffalo And Matt
Who’s It Gonna Be?
With The Best R.O.I.
In Year Three


You Got One Week Left
To Go For The Win,
Til Friday May 5th
To Say I’m In

[ranchwest]

Three questions:

1) Is there any cap on winnings?

2) When are selections due?

3) What happens with late scratches? What if a late scratch terminates a minimum wager?

[The Pook]

Three questions:

1) Is there any cap on winnings?

2) When are selections due?

3) What happens with late scratches? What if a late scratch terminates a minimum wager?

Going all natural this year with no caps. We have taken away the Pk3’s and Tri’s so blowout payoffs are less likely. Caps make it feel artificial. Being over four days with the minimum accumulated bet of $200 evens things out.

You have until post time for selections. As long as the time stamp of your post isn’t later than the chart “off” time.

If your bet is cancelled due to a late scratch so be it. The only case where that would screw you up is if you were trying to get to the $200 contest minimum in the last race of the last day.

Pook

[shoeless]

Pook

Who determines what tracks to play, does everybody get a vote in it

[The Pook]

Pook

Who determines what tracks to play, does everybody get a vote in it

May 6 Churchill
May 7 Woodbine
May 20 Pimlico
May 21 (Vote on the 20th by entrants) if there is a clear winner,
otherwise Woodbine

Pook

[shoeless]

Pook

Why on the 21st does it go back to Woodbine if no clear cut winner
Maybe have it at a minor track to show where everybody's skill is.

Also can payment be made other then Pay Pal

Jeff

[The Pook]

Pook

Why on the 21st does it go back to Woodbine if no clear cut winner
Maybe have it at a minor track to show where everybody's skill is.

Also can payment be made other then Pay Pal

Jeff

Yeah I don't mind. I will pick some minor track to play if no clear cut winner.
You can pay by cheque or ETransfer or whatever. Doesn't have to be PayPal. As long as the winner gets the winnings.

Pook

[shoeless]

Pook

Just leave it the way you had it, your contest

OK Im in (there goes my RDSS subscription savings)

Bill was a great friend so only fitting I enter

Jeff

[The Pook]

Hey Shoeless welcome to the group! Thanks for joining. Thanks to all that have joined.

This is just a little something to have fun with and at the same time honour Bill who passed too soon a few years ago. Ted asked me to run it and I said sure, why not. Many of you knew Bill much better than I. I met him once at Saratoga in 2017 and he seemed a good guy to me.

So, we will just have fun and somebody will be lucky enough to win some cash.

The current roster of players;

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark
Cdax
Shoeless

As of now this will produce a top prize of $245. Something nice to shoot for while fooling around with horses over a couple of weekends that will include the Derby and Preakness. And there are still six days to add more entrants.

Pook

[shoeless]

Thanks to you Pook for setting it up

Is there only one entry per person

Jeff

[The Pook]

Thanks to you Pook for setting it up

Is there only one entry per person

Jeff

No. You can enter as many times as you want. If you wanted to you could be Shoeless, Shoeless2 etc. at $50 per.

Pook

[The Pook]

We haven’t had any attempt at a Cup defense yet. Buffalo didn’t follow up and play last year. Matt hasn’t entered as of yet to defend his win in 2022.

Pook

[shoeless]

Thanks Pook

[shoeless]

I am going to add to the pot sign me up for another ticket

[The Pook]

Way to go Shoeless! So now we have 8 including Shoeless2.

Pook

[shoeless]

Pook no problem
Like I said Bill was a great friend, I started out with him
on VDC Messenger. A lot of great folks were on there some
have passed on as well as on P & C, I really miss Bill and Pino

Jeff

[mattshan]

Mattshan is in and looking forward to it. Pook thanks so much for organizing and tracking things for us.

[The Pook]

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark
Cdax
Shoeless
Shoeless2
Mattshan

Whadaya know….Mattshan is stepping in to the ring for a title defense! Welcome again Matt. Makes 9 for a top prize of $315.00. Very cool.

Pook

[The Pook]

So Darmar would play this year again but he can’t commit the time. He sends his regrets.

Pook

[Mitch44]

Pook, is my understanding that win, EX and DD are the only bets to be made?

Mitch44

[The Pook]

Pook, is my understanding that win, EX and DD are the only bets to be made?

Mitch44

Its on the first page Mitch,

“Betting pools permitted: Win, Place, Exacta, and Doubles.”

Pook

[CheckMark]

5/6 Churchill= 14 races

5/7 Woodbine= Projected to be like 8-10 races on Sunday

14+8= 22x0.30= 6.6 avg or 7 races
14+9= 23x0.30= 6.9 avg or 7 races
14+10= 24x0.30= 7.2 avg or 7 races

Am I doing that math right? So by Sunday, we would have to bet at least 30% of the races or 7 races if Woodbine runs between 8-10 races on Sunday?

Sorry just want to make sure I'm helping out with the math for myself and others :)

[CheckMark]

5/6 Churchill= 14 races

5/7 Woodbine= Projected to be like 8-10 races on Sunday

14+8= 22x0.30= 6.6 avg or 7 races
14+9= 23x0.30= 6.9 avg or 7 races
14+10= 24x0.30= 7.2 avg or 7 races

Am I doing that math right? So by Sunday, we would have to bet at least 30% of the races or 7 races if Woodbine runs between 8-10 races on Sunday?

Sorry just want to make sure I'm helping out with the math for myself and others :)

And when we are doing Pimlico they usually run around 14 races that day too so

14+8+14= 36x0.30= 10.8 avg or 11 races
14+9+14= 37x0.30= 11.1 avg or 11 races
14+10+14= 38x0.30= 11.4 avg or 11 races

I'm not trying to make it complicated just wondering if I'm doing this right and also if this is roughly how many races we have to have a min for :D

[The Pook]

And when we are doing Pimlico they usually run around 14 races that day too so

14+8+14= 36x0.30= 10.8 avg or 11 races
14+9+14= 37x0.30= 11.1 avg or 11 races
14+10+14= 38x0.30= 11.4 avg or 11 races

I'm not trying to make it complicated just wondering if I'm doing this right and also if this is roughly how many races we have to have a min for :D

CheckMark you are making a mountain out of a molehill here.

From the rules page;
Players must be involved in a minimum of 30% of all Contest races over the 4 days. Horizontal bets count as 1 'race'. No more than $100 bet per day but a minimum of $200 over the 4 days.

The key words are over the 4 days. It’s not a running average. You could if you wanted do nothing until near the end of the third day and be okay. Up to you to track it and not cut it too close.

Pook

[Capcondo]

Since I had problems understanding the rules last year, I'm grateful for the simplification!

I'm in.

[The Pook]

Hey welcome back Tim! The list now includes 10.

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark
Cdax
Shoeless
Shoeless2
Mattshan
Capcondo

[buffaloxp]

i will join in

[The Pook]

Welcome Buffalo! And Buffalo is back to try and regain the Cup he won in 2021.

Makes 11. $385 First Prize, $165 Second Prize

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark
Cdax
Shoeless
Shoeless2
Mattshan
Capcondo
Buffaloxp

[Mitch44]

Count me in Mike.

I sent a warning order to "The Monkey" and he is in the war room sharpening his darts.

Mitch44

[The Pook]

Welcome to the Monkey! Mitch is in.

Makes 12. $420 First Prize. $180 2nd Prize.

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark
Cdax
Shoeless
Shoeless2
Mattshan
Capcondo
Buffaloxp
Mitch44

[ranchwest]

I'm in.

[The Pook]

Woah! The “ranch man (woman?) from the west is in”. Glad to have you.

This makes a record 13 entries. $455 First Prize. $195 2nd Prize.

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark
Cdax
Shoeless
Shoeless2
Mattshan
Capcondo
Buffaloxp
Mitch44
Ranchwest

[The Pook]

Anybody contemplating entering or contemplating another entry has about 2 1/2 hours to make up their mind.

Pook

[Mrbill]

Is it too late to get in? If not, count me in.

[The Pook]

Mrbill you made it in. 14 entries. $490 1st prize. $210 2nd prize.

[The Pook]

Pook
Ted Craven
Kahunab
Mowens33
CheckMark
Cdax
Shoeless
Shoeless2
Mattshan
Capcondo
Buffaloxp
Mitch44
Ranchwest
Mrbill