Looking for advise

[lonestarracefan]

Ok, I read Tom Brohamer's book Modern Pace Handicapping a couple of years ago and been interested in Sartin Methodology ever since.

So, I'm just getting started....

What do you recommend for me next?

I'm reading the "The Match Up" now and waiting for a used copy of "Pace makes the Race" I bought on-line.

Any suggestions would be great

[JimG]

Read every post on this board, if you have not already done so. Look for the posts by RichieP and read them twice. I think the books you are reading will provide a good foundation.

Welcome to the board.

Jim

[clore1030]

With those three books you have enough material to keep busy for a while and I also suggest you re-read the Brohammer book. Not that these are all that you need to know, but there is a learning curve required and you should not attempt a crash course.

James Quinn's book "The Best Of Thoroughbred Handicapping" presents a wealth of info from books by other experts and you can then take it from there as to which writers interest you most. Also, his "The New Expert Handicappers" profiles consistent winners and authors and you can follow up on several of them.

[chris]

Now that you've read Brohammer, you're ready to begin; I believe the quickest path to mastering a new concept is to apply it. All that's required is a #2 Eberhard, some scratch paper, and a child's calculator. Ample opportunities to complicate will come later.

Tiger Woods didn't perfect his game by watching Jack Nicklaus Videos, and few of us have progressed by mastering just the lliterature. We practiced the concepts over and over and over again.

Looking forward to hearing about your progress; the sooner you begin the sooner you'll reach your destination

Regards,
Chris

[ray lopez]

The book,"Handicapping Magic" by Michael Pizzola is an excellent book.Pizzola
is a very good teacher and handicapper...You have one good thing going for
you as a beginner...at least you won't be like that rat that Pizzola described
in his book...the rat that kept going through that same tunnel many times
even though there's no cheese !!!

[admin]

Ok, I read Tom Brohamer's book Modern Pace Handicapping a couple of years ago and been interested in Sartin Methodology ever since.

So, I'm just getting started....

What do you recommend for me next?

I'm reading the "The Match Up" now and waiting for a used copy of "Pace makes the Race" I bought on-line.

Any suggestions would be great

Hello

I think a great thing would be read
1. The Yellow Manual
2.The Red Match Up manual
3 The Match Up 2
4.Pacelines
5 Dynamics
6 Chaos
7 The 55% Solution -Finding the place horse

Also all 88 Follow Ups

My favorite sartin manual is
The Psychology of Winning

Thanks
Bill

[Ted Craven]

Joe,

From browsing your website, it's clear you are quite involved in racing, a lover of the sport and possibly already an accomplished handicapper, don't know.

My recommendations for a Sartin Methodology education are:

1. Pace Makes the Race (gave this to my Mom and she's starting to get it!)
2. Modern Pace Handicapping (Mom's looking worried...)
3. Match Up 2, then all the posts in the Hat Check forum (Mom want's to make Richie some chicken soup)
4. The Follow Up Library, beginning with Issues 75 and onward, with a focus on discussion of the concepts and software implementing BL/BL, V/DC, wagercapping and Psychology of Winning.
5. Get Speculator (or RDSS when available) and follow along with the numerous published race workups until you understand the line of reasoning used.
6. After a bit, post a race which you won or lost and your application of concepts such as you understand them currently. Other folks can chime in and give the benefit of some experience.

(That should keep you going for a couple of years!)

In case your ordered copy of 'Pace Makes the Race' is NOT Edition 1, here's a chapter by Doc Sartin from that Edition which is not included in the 2nd Edition.

www.ArtofPace.com/pubs/PsychologyOfWinningPMTR.pdf (http://www.ArtofPace.com/pubs/PsychologyOfWinningPMTR.pdf)

All the best,

Ted

[Ted Craven]

With those three books you have enough material to keep busy for a while and I also suggest you re-read the Brohammer book. Not that these are all that you need to know, but there is a learning curve required and you should not attempt a crash course.

James Quinn's book "The Best Of Thoroughbred Handicapping" presents a wealth of info from books by other experts and you can then take it from there as to which writers interest you most. Also, his "The New Expert Handicappers" profiles consistent winners and authors and you can follow up on several of them.

By the way welcome, Charles, to Pace and Cap! I know you are no novice to the Methodology and look forward to your contributions and insights.

yours,

Ted

[lonestarracefan]

Ted,

I started handicapping in the early 80's going to the track with my father.

We used to go to LA Downs four or 5 times a year, I was mainly a speed handicapper and exacta player. A decent exacta player , one LA Downs trip nailed 6 exacta and netted about $2600... of coarse then exacta wager was $5 min wager... I was making about $5.40 an hr, the concept of Exacta box wasn't an option with my bankroll then which was about $40 tops.

My wagering was pretty much at LA Downs until Lone Star Park opened in 1997. It was pretty much something me & my father did together until he died in 1998. I stayed away from track for about 7 yrs, because I thought it would be too wierd without Dad. When I went back I refound my passion for the sport.

When I went back to the track, I'd found out because of Beyer & the $1 Exacta wager I had to change... I picked up Brohamer's book and read a few Quirin's books.

I've been using little bit from both... Using Pars to select my contenders and using Velocity formulas to seperate them if needed.

With Brohamer saying he doesn't use the Velocity formulas anymore and uses Quirin type Pace figs instead now, I would have mostly drifted that way myself until I found this forum, a few weeks ago.

I started my Racing blog in last year during the Lone Star meet, mainly a source to share and vent. The web site is a off shoot of the blog.

The web site is in it's infancy stage. A place where someone get information on the sport and handicapping. It will remain a free site until I reach my bandwidth limitations, which isn't close to happening now.

I do put up selections from time to time with my take on the racing cards I play, I don't claim to be professional handicapper...

No, I'm in no way a Newbie horseplayer or handicapper, if I made myself appear that way, I'm sorry....

Other than what I read in Brohamer's book, I'm newbie to the Methodology and excited to learn as much as I can.

and now my favorite circuit is going all synthetic, looking forward to tackling them and new information

Joe

[lonestarracefan]

Joe,

In case your ordered copy of 'Pace Makes the Race' is NOT Edition 1, here's a chapter by Doc Sartin from that Edition which is not included in the 2nd Edition.

www.ArtofPace.com/pubs/PsychologyOfWinningPMTR.pdf (http://www.ArtofPace.com/pubs/PsychologyOfWinningPMTR.pdf)

All the best,

Ted

thanks Ted