Handicapping Magic

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I was browsing through this book last night and think it's one of the best in showing people how to look at a race.Pizzolla does it in a way to make it easy for the reader to understand what he is writing about.Jeff

[admin]

Hi Jeff

In HM is there an example of a race
from Monmouth with a horse named Zen Master ?

GS
Bill

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Hi Bill,Yes.Jeff

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Bill,I like his Fulcrum concept I feel it's a good way to get a feel of what horses will be able to compete in today's race.Jeff

[Profiler8]

Hi,

is Handicapping Magic worth a read ?
I have seen, that the author sells so much different seminars through Post Time Daily. Are they worth the price ?

Thanks...

Greetings
Tim

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The book is a definite worthwhile read,the seminars Im not sure about.

[admin]

Hi Bill,Yes.Jeff

Hi Jeff

Ok lets see if I can remember this .
The race was on a sunday in august The track was off either sloppy or muddy

The winner of the race paid very well
The exacta and Trifecta must have too

This was on Haskell day at monmouth
Lets see . were Nork and Zen Master Early Need the lead horses?
I kind of feel that the race turned out to be won by a Other than early
horse

I remember the race Richie and I and two friends Joe and Mark went up to Saratoga on Saturday the day before, We came back to the Meadowlands the day of the race and it was pouring rain Not knowing really what the program was doing
at that time I know I had the winner of the race WPS
which must have paid well
But the reason I remember the race was that I think the top 3 or 4 BLBL
as well as Pizzolas program ,which Mark used .
Had the trifecta cold. Anyway I always remember working and watching that race
Someone told me that the race turned up in HM

Thanks
Bill

[admin]

Bill,I like his Fulcrum concept I feel it's a good way to get a feel of what horses will be able to compete in today's race.Jeff

Jeff I think many off the tools the men of pirco used are little bits of a good way to rate a horse

The fulcrum is one of them The first call , the horses positional spot
and the running styles all add to it for me

Bill

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Bill,The race was on Aug 8 1999 track was good and weather was showery.


Nork- 93.00 42.60 13.00

Zen Master 19.80 10.00

Salari's Dream 5.80

EX 1611.60

TRI 11,254.30

Nork came from off the pace to win it.Jeff

[admin]

Thanks Jeff

Yes That was Haskel day. It was pouring rain
If they listed the track as good its because they worked like crazy to keep it good for the big race

Now you can see why that race sticks in my mind
I tell you what winning and losing races online or alone at a otb
is one thing But You never can forget the looks and reactions of
great guys like Richie and some friends Mark and Joe
These memories will last a long time

Sadly in handicapping there will always be some kind of
a lonesome feeling .

Thanks
Bill

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Sadly in handicapping there will always be some kind of
a lonesome feeling .

Bill,You are right as Im sure you heard in the tapes better to play the races alone.But I think once in awhile you should get together with friends and go and make it a social outing.Jeff

[Tim Y]

is Handicapping Magic worth a read ?
I have seen, that the author sells so much different seminars through Post Time Daily. Are they worth the price ?


His ideas on turf racing alone has changed my fortunes on the lawn and lead to the longest price I ever collected +$123.00.

His ideas on turf sprints are great as well: LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!

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Tim,You know your right about turf sprints I love turf racing and never had any luck with them.

[Bob Cochran]

Hi Jeff. Reading your post on going to the track with friends brought back
some fond memories. One of the biggest problems with group handicapping,
is the deadly phrase "who do you like".

It's quite educational to gather for different opinions on who the real contenders are in a race. Once you decide who "your" contenders are, you
must go off to yourself and make your wagers. Once you have tickets in hand, then and only then, should you discuss "who you like to win".

It's simple enough to decide the contenders in a group, but the problem arises
when handicappers try to wager as a group. Handicapping is not
a group sport was one of Bob Purdy's pet expressions. I think the wagering
should be made alone, and away from any group. This is the way i do it,
and stll enjoy the company of friends.

BobC:)

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Hi Bob,Good points.Enjoy listening to you on some of those Sartin seminar tapes.Jeff

[dodeca]

Hi Bob, Totally agree with you. I live minutes from the casinos, but with a computer you always get people asking who doya like. Stay home now and do much better. Still use what I learned from you in a late eighties workshop in Chicago,thanks.
I use HM and rdss. Mostly use HM and ppf for turf racing. Nice spot play is if ppf and rdss agree. Be selective on what to accept for ppf. Just had an across the board bet at Bel-race 7, on the three. Monster ppf and #1 E or #1 L depending on PL used for rdss. Paid 18.60 to P and 11.80 to show.
Richard

[Bob Cochran]

Nice shooting Richard. Listening to some of the tapes allows me to ride in the "way-back machine" Lots of good stuff, and great guys to know.

BobC:)

[thelyingthief]

fyi:

i am not a person apt to change my handicapping approach, as in adopting the fulcrum concept, without checking its accuracy.

i did a sequence of several hundred races using the fulcrum idea, and found it resoundingly USELESS, regularly isolating too many contenders or too few. i haven't the figures to hand, but it was in the 70 percentile region. WAY TOO LOW TO BE VIABLE, IMHO.

tlt

[RichieP]

fyi:

I did a sequence of several hundred races using the fulcrum idea, and found it resoundingly USELESS, regularly isolating too many contenders or too few. i haven't the figures to hand, but it was in the 70 percentile region. WAY TOO LOW TO BE VIABLE, IMHO.
tlt

I agree 100%

[lsosa54]

fyi:

i am not a person apt to change my handicapping approach, as in adopting the fulcrum concept, without checking its accuracy.

i did a sequence of several hundred races using the fulcrum idea, and found it resoundingly USELESS, regularly isolating too many contenders or too few. i haven't the figures to hand, but it was in the 70 percentile region. WAY TOO LOW TO BE VIABLE, IMHO.

tlt


My experience as well, tlt, and the final fraction concept wasn't that helpful either. That does not mean that others should not read the book. I think if you grab one nugget from it or any of the tapes I've been putting up, it's a win.

As for Michael's software or other products, I really don't know. Michael may have been trying to reach a mass audience with the fulcrum and the power closing fraction or whatever he called it. I'd rather just work through the match up and look at it that way. I'm not real keen on the bs type marketing approach but from a business standpoint, I would think selling handicapping material would be tough, as the audience is limited. Cynthia Publishing always used the sales letter-marketing hype approach which I detested, but I did find some good material and people there - Dick Mitchell, Gordon Pine, Ron Ambrose, Kitts Anderson, etc., so sometimes you just have to look through the hype.

I always respected Michael's writing within the Follow Ups and in the 1st PMTR book. The problem now is is finding a copy of his book at close to the original selling price. Like the Hat's book, it tends to go for ridiculous amounts on Ebay.

[RichieP]

The problem now is is finding a copy of his book at close to the original selling price. Like the Hat's book, it tends to go for ridiculous amounts on Ebay.

Lou
Tell me what you need. I got you covered.

Also PM me your address and I will take care of you regarding your message to me this morning ok? It's here.

Take care
Richie

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FYI Pizzolla did not just look at the Fulcrum.In Chapter 8 The Magic of Pace and Position he writes about looking at the 1st call as well.