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RichieP
05-12-2009, 08:18 AM
I received this PM yesterday. It came at a very good time(karma).

I am going to copy it here and this thread hopefully will move forward with some races in few days ok?

My thoughts are that some "collective feedback" on what will be shown will benefit us all.

Here is the PM:

HI Richie!

I've been using the Match-up 5 step approach for the last 2 months or so, and have gone thru Mr. Bradshaw's Match-Up 2 book pretty thoroughly (even though I bought it 2 years ago when he first offered it on Hat Check). The results so far have been pretty good. At first, I lost more than I won, but I have been profitable my last three visits to the track using only the 5 step approach (I finished only 60 cents ahead yesterday, but it's still a profit).

My biggest problem area so far seems to be shippers. I try to factor in whether or not another track is faster. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes not. I don't feel as though I have a handle on that yet. In race 4at Belmont yesterday, I threw out the winner because I thought he was a bit too slow to beat my eventual choice. But the winner had never run in New York. He had run only a few races at Oaklawn Park, and it turned out he was fast enough to win. My only consolation was that he beat my horse by a nose, and with a little luck, I would have had the winner. I wasn't too upset. It's all part of the learning process. (In the third and sixth races I also had the second place horses. In the 3rd, my horse lost by a head, and in the 6th my horse lost by half a length. A few inches either way and I could have had a very good day.)

Another problem I have is that I tend to be lazy. I've lost races because I haven't looked at ALL the lines. I tend to stop after the first three or four.

Lastly, I'm not too sure what to do with horses that are coming back from long layoffs. It seems that every day there are several horses that took the winter off and are returning to racing since Belmont opened. I know I've lost a few bets because some of those horses have come back ready to run. Then there are others who come back and I'm still waiting for them to finish.

I'm following your suggestions. I'm using the five step approach exclusively for the next month or two, and then I'll start studying the races in the Hat Check forum. I really feel that I am making progress. The Match-up is pattern recognition, and I see that unless I do lots of races using the 5 step approach, I am not going to acquaint myself with the patterns I need to recognize.

Charlie D
05-12-2009, 08:47 AM
"Match Shipper against Shipper " (Las Vegas Seminar 91: Tape 9_2 -9_3)

See Post #7

http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5642

#3 was coming in from Philly, but in it's PP the #3 had a Monmouth run to Match against the Monmouth runs of the #8

#8 wins the Match Up easily as you can see and that is how it was in the race.

mikesal57
05-12-2009, 08:54 AM
This is from Richie

Track Equalization Chart

http://americanturf.com/equalization/index.cfm?showchart=1

this will give you #'s to compare

mike

RichieP
05-13-2009, 09:29 AM
Just was told about this raw matching race from Sunday at Belmont. I'll put up the pps here.


I worked the race not knowing the result cause I don't bet NY and I lost the race matching.Honestly even with 2 horses I can't pick him but everyone's Mind's Eye is different man.

So take a peek, make comments if you like and I will wait to see what happens and post the result chart in a couple of days if that is cool.

RichieP
05-13-2009, 09:30 AM
balance of the field. I set the middle tab on tandems for the field.
ok

Charlie D
05-13-2009, 10:02 AM
Pass

Another race that will be far easier to Match Up and probably pay a similar Mutuel will be along very soon.

We are not THE HAT.

mamojica
05-13-2009, 11:33 AM
Hi,

Just to introduce myself, I'm the one who sent the original note to Richie. I've been visiting Pace and Cap on and off for the past couple of years, but I have only started doing the Match-up, specifically the 5 step approach, for about two months. I don't have much of a background in the Sartin Methodology. I've bought a 4 or 5 of the old publications on Ebay, but that's about it.

Looking forward to actively participating in this discussion.

Regards,
Marc A. Mojica

Charlie D
05-13-2009, 11:50 AM
Welcome aboard The PaceandCap ship Marc

mikesal57
05-13-2009, 12:21 PM
Welcome Marc..

this is the best and only place you will learn the match-up...

it will take some time...but worth it!!

be patient and practice,practice,practice

visit The Hat Check forum and read,read,read..

mike

Charlie D
05-13-2009, 12:55 PM
LA Seminar - Hat

Shippers (paraphrasing) I ignore em. Most of time i do not know where they come from.


** Hat Helper** - "Rich check the horse (s) in every race who raced against the fastest pace in their LAST race. You need to look at him closely" - Jim Bradshaw


Ignore where they come from and look closely at FPLR

Charlie D
05-13-2009, 01:16 PM
** Hat Helper** - "I love fast horses who run O.T.E. and POWER MOVE either 1c to 2c or 2c to stretch call" - Jim Bradsha


Ignore em, FPLR and POWER MOVE.

Who are The Hat's TRUE contenders???

Charlie D
05-13-2009, 01:55 PM
"Rich it is very important to listen because your tongue can make you deaf" - Jim Bradshaw

We need to constantly revisit vital areas to Jim's Matchup concepts

mamojica
05-13-2009, 08:00 PM
Thanks for the welcome, guys. Looking forward to more frequent participation.

"Welcome aboard The PaceandCap ship Marc"

Charlie:

I'm out in the open now. No more being a stowaway.:)

"this is the best and only place you will learn the match-up...

it will take some time...but worth it!!

be patient and practice,practice,practice"

Thanks, Mike. I try to match at least 2 races per day. It takes me about half an hour per race. Hopefully, it will take less time as I scale the learning curve.

Regards,
Marc

mikesal57
05-14-2009, 07:54 AM
marc...
my pointer for starters...

Look at sprint races only

i like claiming & low level allowance

its best if all horses have been racing at the current meet

label horses as E S P

look for the horse or horses that will be on the lead

determine if race will be "E" or "OTE"

if OTE , you just eliminated a 1/4 to a 1/3 of the field :)

mike