GapFire ROI Challenge - Contest - Jan 18 - Feb 26

[Ted Craven]

GAPFIRE.COM R.O.I. CHALLENGE - PRIZES + RULES + MORE

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CONTEST 3

THE GAPFIRE.COM
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R.O.I. CHALLENGE

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JANUARY 18, 2012 - FEBRUARY 26, 2012
RUNS WEDNESDAY TO SUNDAY EACH WEEK
PLAYER'S CHOICE FOR TRACKS

FREE ENTRY CONTEST

$500.00 CASH + MERCHANDISE PRIZES

P.A.C.S PLAYER OF THE YEAR POINTS

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1st Place - $250.00
Plus Dr. Jim Park's ebook "Logical Longshots"
& a 1 year Gapfire.com Membership

Winner's Trophy sponsored by ASD

“3 months Unlimited RDSS data including Result Charts and Past Performances,
value $449.95 each (RDSS custom data by TrackMaster (http://test.trackmaster.com/cgi-bin/pricing.cgi?rdb)) along with a
complimentary RDSS software subscription for the same 3 month period
($30/quarter, $100/year). Plus 2 hours of direct one-on-one mentoring
Total Value $480.00 ...”

2nd Place - $150.00
Plus Dr. Jim Park's ebook "Logical Longshots"
& a 1 year Gapfire.com Membership

3rd Place - $100.00
Plus Dr. Jim Park's ebook "Logical Longshots"
& a 1 year Gapfire.com Membership

*Note: All Cash Prizes are payable via PayPal

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[Ted Craven]

RULES & OBJECTIVES

OBJECTIVES

1. To accumulate the highest Return on Investment (R.O.I.) over time based on successful Win and Place wagers.


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RULES



1. Wagers may be made at any thoroughbred race track in North America with posted entries and results at Equibase (www.equibase.com (http://www.equibase.com/)).


2. Selections are allowed on race days from Wednesday to Sunday only, unless specified otherwise. (ie. Canadian and American Holidays)


3. All wagers are $2.00 Win/Place bets.


4. Players may make a maximum of three bets per day. (only 1 betting interest per race)


5. A scratched selection counts as no action (no bet).


6. A cancelled race counts as no action (no bet).

7. To place an "official play" and receive credit for the results the play must be posted at least one full minute prior to the "official off time" as stated at Equibase. All posts are time stamped.


8. If the time stamp and the "official off time" are the same, or later, and your selection "loses", your selection will count as an official play as your intention was clear.

9. If a selection ends up being No Action, the player may post a new selection to take its place.


10. An entry selection must be explicitly stated as such or the posted play will be scored as stated. (ie. Entry of #1 and #1A will be scored as such if posted as #1/#1A ~ if you post only part of the entry and that selection scratches, you will have no action (no bet) for that race.


11. Further to entries, if you post only part of the entry (ie. 1A) and the other half of the entry actually wins or places, the player shall be awarded similar to what would take place at the race track. The purpose of the Entry Rule is to protect the player from late scratches.

12. It is recommended that when placing your bet, you state the number and name of the entry. The name of the entry will supersede the number in case of discrepancy.


13. The contest runs from January 18th, 2012 to February 26th, 2012 (6 weeks). Players must make a minimum of 30 wagers during the contest period to be considered an official entry and qualify for Prizes and P.A.C.S. Points.


14. The moderators or their designate will have the final say on any challenge or amendment to the rules. The contest is intended to be played in good faith!


15. Only one entry per household is allowed.


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[Ted Craven]

CONTEST DATES

JANUARY 18, 2012 - FEBRUARY 26, 2012

RUNS WEDNESDAY TO SUNDAY EACH WEEK
PLUS MONDAY, FEBRUARY 20TH -- PRESIDENTS' DAY

TOTAL PLAYABLE DAYS = 31
MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PLAYS = 93
MINIMUM NUMBER OF PLAYS TO QUALIFY = 30

Like all of this year's Contests, this takes place at PaceAdvantage.com
Please check this page for the daily location for your Contest Picks:

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[Ted Craven]

Go here to record your Contest Picks:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=72


Best of luck and skill to all Players!

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[Gapfire]

Hello Everyone,

I'd like to invite all Paceandcap members to join this contest. It has a slightly different format that promised to be a lot of fun.

I'd also like to thank Ted for his great support of this Contest Series.

All the best,

Kevin

[Ted Craven]

Thanks Kevin for checking in, and good luck with the Contest. If anyone here uses the Gapfire figs, either alone or in concert with other tools, please feel free to comment about them here.

I am trying to come up with a Contest playing strategy which recognizes often limited time to handicap. I must handicap 20-30 races many days each week in the course of working on RDSS2, though most times it is either after the fact or at least not right at bet-time, which is when I prefer to bet when I am working seriously.

But in this contest, with up to 3 picks per day over 31 days, and no penalty to the bankroll for underperforming - there would seem to be no downside to at least picking 3 bets in a day that seem to be overlays and putting them in the Contest thread for that day. Especially since it can be a track of your choice, day or evening. (Note: this contrasts with the upcoming RDSS Sartin/Bradshaw Memorial Contest, where you may only bet a % or bankroll each day, up to 3 races/day, 30 races max including some mandatory Derby Prep Stakes).

My PAIHL teammates seem to have determined that I excel at dirt routes as a category ;), so I might use this contest to specialize in dirt routes at some of my favourite winter tracks.

Comments, advice?

Very best wishes to all!

Ted

[pktruckdriver]

Forgive me, but a few quick questions please ?

1. Is this where you use the best 30 wagers ,(which is also the minimum wagers needed to qualify, right?), out of a possible 93 wagers, yes or no?

2. Is this a contest where picking longshots will make you a winner or picking winners is what will make you a contender here, tough question I know, but ROI , to me is the "Return on Investment", so if you bet 30 times at 60.00, the one with thew highest return wins, so if 1 guys returns 150 on 60 with 12 winners and another returns 250 on 60 , but only won 6 races, this guy would win, yes or no.

3. If you wager everyday , would this lower your Investment part of the ROI, same as #1 question I guess, sorry

Again thanks all involved

patrick

[cdax]

Forgive me, but a few quick questions please ?

1. Is this where you use the best 30 wagers ,(which is also the minimum wagers needed to qualify, right?), out of a possible 93 wagers, yes or no?

2. Is this a contest where picking longshots will make you a winner or picking winners is what will make you a contender here, tough question I know, but ROI , to me is the "Return on Investment", so if you bet 30 times at 60.00, the one with thew highest return wins, so if 1 guys returns 150 on 60 with 12 winners and another returns 250 on 60 , but only won 6 races, this guy would win, yes or no.

3. If you wager everyday , would this lower your Investment part of the ROI, same as #1 question I guess, sorry

Again thanks all involved

patrick


I think the answer to #1 is no. You are looking for your return on a minimum of 30 races.

I'm with you on #2 and 3. It's return on investment, make more money than anyone else and spend less doing it. As to #3, playing more races INCREASES your investment (not lower), the return percentage would decrease due to spending more.

That's the way I see it.

If you can bet all 93 races and end up with the same winners and same roi if you just bet 30, then I should bet 3 races everyday.

I'm gonna try to make each pick count.

Chris

[Ted Craven]

One thing I see is that since you can pick and post 1 race at a time, up to 1 minute before Official Off Time, you can watch the odds and possibly choose between, say, your Top 3, that 1 horse which is 'optimal' odds, for which you'll get Win and Place mutuel earnings.

I rarely bet only 1 horse, so perhaps preparing to bet 3 races per day and often going with your 2nd or 3rd best horse (depending on bet-time odds) will gradually accumulate sufficient mutuels to to make it worthwhile to bet rather more races than fewer races (i.e. 60-90 races total, rather than just the minimum).

Like Chris, I see making every bet count. It could be tough though, in that sometimes the 1 horse to pick is a horse you're pretty sure will not Win, but rather is a perfect counter-energy horse, and either overlooked at long odds or elevated due to extreme favouritism of another horse (and a horse you would naturally include in an exacta bet if that bet type were permitted in this contest).

Ted

[rmath]

Ted asked if anyone was using the Gap Fire numbers.
I have been using them in combination with RDSS & New Pace numbers. I was going to wait until I had at least 200 races before I listed my findings. But I would like to share what I have so far.
Many of you know that I have been in first place for the last couple of weeks in the Pic 4 contest at AQU. I have only used these numbers in combination at Aqu, so I do not know how they will hold up at other tracks.
In 141 races: 135 wins were in the top 4 ratings of at least one of these 3 ratings.
114wins .809 were rated on 2 or more of these 3 ratings.
I have been using these double rated horses in my pic 4 tickets and have hit several
times. Many other times I have had at least 3 winners on my tickets.
I have rarely bet Pic 3s or Pic 4s , I concentrate on win betting most of the time.
But after seeing what some of these pic 3 & 4s are paying, especially when 2 or 3 are short priced favorites are included in them I may start playing some of them.
I hope this info helps some of you. If nothing else it may help you to separate your final contenders. Dave Schwartz gave me this idea of combining 2 or 3 different methods in his workshop on using the double Monty.
Good luck to all and if you find another combination that improves this one : then share it with all of us.
God Bless,
rmath

[partsnut]

rmath: Ted asked if anyone was using the Gap Fire numbers.

Hi Richard,

Kevin at Gapfire was kind enough to extend me a 3 day trial of his product.
Although the data does not predict winners, it tells you the percentage of winners in the (top 4) of each category and individual race and has some very useful information included in it's read outs which includes an advance users module that breaks down a specific race using a comprehensive screen with lots of pertinent information.
This in itself can be insightful regarding a decision to bet a specific value horse. As well, and as Richard was kind enough to point out, that this can be used in combination with the software and / or method of your choice.This can also be useful for exotic wagering. At any rate, for 10 bucks a month it's something one might want to consider or a least look at.

[pktruckdriver]

Just 10 dollars, wow, what do you get for that, all tracks, or 1 track, I had access to his numbers during BC this lat year and they were pretty good then, thanks for the info


Patrick



rmath:
Hi Richard,

Kevin at Gapfire was kind enough to extend me a 3 day trial of his product.
Although the data does not predict winners, it tells you the percentage of winners in the (top 4) of each category and individual race and has some very useful information included in it's read outs which includes an advance users module that breaks down a specific race using a comprehensive screen with lots of pertinent information.
This in itself can be insightful regarding a decision to bet a specific value horse. As well, and as Richard was kind enough to point out, that this can be used in combination with the software and / or method of your choice.This can also be useful for exotic wagering. At any rate, for 10 bucks a month it's something one might want to consider or a least look at.

[rmath]

guys the price is 10.00 per month or 60.00 for the whole year.
It includes all the tracks that they run.
I tried it out and found that their top 4 and RDSS & NP work great together when the contenders are listed on 2 or 3 of the numbers.
Check out my post for AQU.
Kevin at Gapfire was having a special last month: Whatever you purchased he would double it. I got 2 years for the price of 1.
I wish you guys good luck, But PLEASE do not pass me up in the contest, Just Joking.
Wishing all a good & profitable year
rmath

[partsnut]

Just 10 dollars, wow, what do you get for that, all tracks, or 1 track, I had access to his numbers during BC this lat year and they were pretty good then, thanks for the info


Patrick

$10.00 PER MONTH FOR ALL TRACKS.

I just started playing around with the numbers find that the numbers are pretty decent for contender selection.
I would venture to say that using the top 4 as contenders with RDSS should improve ones handicapping. One thing is for sure, you will get more winners picking 2 horses.

[pktruckdriver]

Thanks very much Guys, I'm sold.

patrick

[partsnut]

More Bargains:confused:

From what I understand "New Pace" is currently being offered for $37.00
That's half the price of what some of you paid for it.
Hmm, out with the old and in with the new.

I guess Dave's new book is almost ready to go to market.
The ticket for this book from what I'm led to believe is a mere $117.00. :eek:.
Oh well, I guess there's no end to it for those that have deep pockets.:rolleyes:
Make sure you leave yourself enough money to bet.:)

[pktruckdriver]

Wow, what a bargain for Gapfire, compared to other stuff, RDSS excluded of course.

Maybe I should write a book on tried and not true methods of Handicapping, God knows I have tried my fair share, lol

patrick


More Bargains:confused:

From what I understand "New Pace" is currently being offered for $37.00
That's half the price of what some of you paid for it.
Hmm, out with the old and in with the new.

I guess Dave's new book is almost ready to go to market.
The ticket for this book from what I'm led to believe is a mere $117.00. :eek:.
Oh well, I guess there's no end to it for those that have deep pockets.:rolleyes:
Make sure you leave yourself enough money to bet.:)

[rmath]

When you finish you book, remember you friends and include us in the royalties. HA HA!!!

Glad you guys like these #s . Using them along wit RDSS & NP helps to get the true contenders over 90% of the time.At AQU I have been getting 95 to 96% winners even doing the Mdn races. The final separation is upto each of us.
Good Luck
Your friend
rmath

[partsnut]

pktruckdriver:
Wow, what a bargain for Gapfire, compared to other stuff, RDSS excluded of course.

Maybe I should write a book on tried and not true methods of Handicapping, God knows I have tried my fair share, lol

patrick--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Patrick,

I would love to co-author your book.
Years ago, I used to buy anything and everything about horse racing.
Then I came to the realization that there's not much out there that works. Not consistency.

I was one of the unlucky ones that bit the bullet for RaceCom.
However it was fun for the most part to try and at that point the money didn't matter. I learned an expensive lesson.

My experiences were good with the Sartin Methodology. Energy and Synergism were my favorites.
Those were the days of Cal Track on line, the first version of All In One and Thorobrain. Both these have disappeared along with some products that were offered by some of the same people that are still marketing today. Many of us literally "took it in the shorts" but kept on buying crap that did not work. We were the victims of our own ignorance.

Those were the days that I use to play with Eric Langhar at the Imperial Palace and Michael Perry at the Hilton.
Doug and Sharon Manley were two of the best natural handicappers that I knew and my wife and I had the pleasure of frequently socializing with all of the above.
I was there when Doug Manley gave Michael Pizzerola and Eric Langhar the heads up which pointed them and caused the formation of what is now "The Post Time Daily".

When living in Las Vegas, I had my biggest success with a product call "Colts Neck Data". I was hitting some very big overlays and winning frequently. That product is still around but being as the complexion of horse racing has changed dramatically over the course of many years, the shorter fields, surface changes and other factors make value horses harder to find and those good results I was enjoying dried up.

Lately, I have had success with PaceAppraiser but the value horses are not there. I like RDSS and look forward to the next upgrade that will hopefully include a file conversions for some versions of Synergism.

Yes Patrick, I've been down that road and I'm sure that there are many of us that have been as well. We are all looking for the holy grail and possibly on a fools mission. I've been there and done that but I had a hell of a good time doing it.:D

[rmath]

Patrick, Congratulations on you pic 4 today.
Saw your post on paceadvantage.
you hit it 5 times at 24.70 for each 1.00
I hit the late one also, paid 29.24 for a buck.
Both were playable using RDSS, NP and Gapfire in combination.
Again congratulations!!
rmath

[pktruckdriver]

Patrick, Congratulations on you pic 4 today.
Saw your post on paceadvantage.
you hit it 5 times at 24.70 for each 1.00
I hit the late one also, paid 29.24 for a buck.
Both were playable using RDSS, NP and Gapfire in combination.
Again congratulations!!
rmath

Thanks Sir, I am going to use Gapfire numbers Feb and March, once the 3yrs Olds really heat up.

Patrick

[partsnut]

Hi Patrick,

Nice job with the pick 4.
Keep it up. Your persistence and
strong desire to win will get you where you want to be.

[mannyberrios]

Keep up the good work, Pat!

[pktruckdriver]

Thanks Guys, being here and learning from all here is why I am where I am today.

This team of people is the best anywhere, trust me on this, just look around and see all the love and support we have for each other.

Something I did not have before I came here, I think you noticed the changes if you been around me awhile, I can not say thank you all enough.

Patrick

[cdax]

Another nice score for Patrick today, Aqu R1.

For me, the ROI challenge is the hardest.

Good job, Patrick

[MIKE]

Nice hit Pat
--you're the new E.F.Hutton of Pace & Cap

[partsnut]

Hi Patrick,

I'm very happy to see that your progressing.
By George, I think you've got it.:)
Keep it up and keep on learning and studying.
Nice job at AQU today.

I hope I do as well at Santa Anita.

[pktruckdriver]

I would be remiss to not give Bill some credit here, thank you Sir.

I have a long way to go but am on the right path , and most important with the right people. How could I not get better, as well all the other's here, this is one awesome team, thanks for allowing me to be a part of it.

Patrick

[partsnut]

I would be remiss to not give Bill some credit here, thank you Sir.

I have a long way to go but am on the right path , and most important with the right people. How could I not get better, as well all the other's here, this is one awesome team, thanks for allowing me to be a part of it.

Patrick

Patrick,

It was nice of you to thank me but it was not necessary.
I take pleasure when you are successful.

You're a very nice person and I think you know that I wish you the very best and will be there to help you any way that I can.

I have to admit that you're a fast learner, have an open mind and are adaptable to change. With strong discipline, money management and the ability to recognize hidden angles and intricacies that go undetected by the crowd you will develop winning ways and get rid of what didn't work for you and the bad habits you developed in the past and along the way. Pattern recognition will automatically become part of your handicapping regimen. You will learn to bet when the odds are to your advantage. Hopefully, you will not be side tracked. Short priced horses will be a thing of the past and you will restrict your betting to the type of bet that gives you the best edge.

[mannyberrios]

Yes Pat, keep it up, you can win, I am rooting for ya

[pktruckdriver]

Thanks everyone, it really is a team effort, and awesome people.

patrick