Synergism - The Classic Handicapping Tool - The Best of The Best

[partsnut]

Synergism was authored by Bob Purdy and was and still is one of the most formidable handicapping programs ever written.
Synergism has evolved into it's sixth revision, which requires an expensive data file subscription ftom HDW. However, the software is given free.

The earliest version (maual input) was very effective and had an auto variant feature incorporated into it which made things quite simple.
Some of the Sartin instructors had successfully used this software to achieve a profit. Dick Schmidt has always praised Bob Purdys work.
Elliot Sidewater was the consumate expert using Synergism 2 and
has written and shared his method with those that chose to use it.
Elliot still posts on the other Sartin group.

Some of us on this board are still using versions 2, 3. and 4.
The latter 2 versions require updated par times.
Suffice to say and in my humble opinion, RDSS with it's equalized and adjusted times would be complimented and enhanced 10 fold by the addition of a synergism file conversion feature. It has been promised but never given.

Synergism 3 & 4, would be my preference but Synergism 2 should be included as well.
These 2 versions enable me to project pace. The dream time feature that Jeff (Shoeless) had written about was all important to me and actually won me a contest with a $50.00 plus horse.

Not withstanding, I believe the importance of this software has been negated and swept under the carpet in favor of Energy and KGEN.
It has been promised for years but never came to fruition.

There are still those that use these programs and in my opinion as well as a few others, Synergism will run circles around Energy and KGEN.

Although the conversion to Energy and Kgen are nice features, I personally am not overly impressed by them and have not had or seen results produced by others that I would consider to be impressive.

[shoeless]

Hi Bill,

Hope everything is ok with you and your wife.

I know you dont have much time these days but really miss your posts.

By the way nice post on Synergism,I tried 3 and 4 but feel 2 is the best.


Jeff

[gl45]

told you so

[shoeless]

Pino,

Sure did



Feels like old times with both of you, I thoroughly enjoy it

[shoeless]

Bill,

Your post made me realize that within the Sartin methodology it doesnt
matter what program you are using it just depends on how the person
using it that matters most.


Jeff

[partsnut]

Jeff
shoeless:


Bill,

Your post made me realize that within the Sartin methodology it doesnt
matter what program you are using it just depends on how the person
using it that matters most.


Jeff


Hi Jeff and Pino,

It's nice conversing with the both of you.
It's reminiscent of the many years (mostly pleasurable) that have passed and the friendships and associations I have developed on this site.

Jeff, I can't say I fully agree with you here. I believe that not all software is the same and that some systems and softwares are better then others. I guess each has their place. However, It's all good.

In this case, I would personally favor Synergism over Energy and KGEN. Actually, I have had good results with all of them but I believe Synergism is more staple and pace oriented.

I believe a file conversion to Synergism from RDSS would be a no brainer and handicapping a race would be a snap.
The pars from RDSS would be incorporated in the converted file and once equalized for distance and surface, all one would have to do is properly project todays pace and then interpret the readouts in accordance to the way the race sets up.

Jeff, you have the ability to pick pacelines and for you handicapping each race would be a piece of cake.

The premise is simple and should work well. All we need now is for the powers that be to incorporated it into the software so that it can be tested. At any rate, Synergism is a valid old school Sartin concept that has been effective and is still being used by some of us and would be used by more of us if it were present within RDSS.

Rather then being presumptuous or imposing, I am simply suggesting what I think would be an interesting and a benificial addition to RDSS.
Hopefully, It will be interpreted as just that.

[shoeless]

Hi Bill,

Just got our power back after 15 hours,with temps here hitting 100 no fun.

I see what your saying but for me even though it is more time consuming I
would rather put in lines myself.I feel that way I have a better understanding of it.

If you and Pino ahead of time ever want to do a race with Syn I would be in for it.

Jeff

[gl45]

I'm looking today CT 3-4-5-7
let me know

[shoeless]

Hi Pino,

Saw this late I was out restocking frig after power loss.

[partsnut]

GL45:

I'm looking today CT 3-4-5-7
let me know

Hi Pino,

Actually, I am recuperating from a weeks stay in the hospital for pneumonia and haven't had the time or been up to doing any races.
Hopefully, we can do some in the immediate future.

[partsnut]

WOX 07-02-12 R3

My choice in this race would be the (7) if I could get at least 5-1 odds on it.
The morning line for this horse is 4-1 so there is a possibility of getting a "value" bet here. However, the short field and the possibility of late scratches may dictate otherwise.

Here are my readouts for Synergism 2.
Normally I will show the top 4 horses but today I will show my top 3.

[Bill V.]

WOX 07-02-12 R3

My choice in this race would be the (7) if I could get at least 5-1 odds on it.
The morning line for this horse is 4-1 so there is a possibility of getting a "value" bet here. However, the short field and the possibility of late scratches may dictate otherwise.

Here are my readouts for Synergism 2.
Normally I will show the top 4 horses but today I will show my top 3.

Get Well soon Bill hope your feeling better

[alydar_ David]

Interesting choice of contenders, Bill.

I only see #4 #5 and #6 with a shot at winning.

If #6 Sky Dreamer can stretch out successfully it should be all over. She's got the Late Pace to do it too. Her only knock is the short price. She's 6/5 on the morning line.

Seeing as she's the only horse I'd bet, I'll pass this race and root for you.

Good luck.

[lone speed]

Get well Bill...

Looking at your readouts only and nothing else...I see that #2 has an early pace advantage at the first call,thus I am going to slow him down one tick at the first call and and one tick at the second call and two ticks for the final time.

Take care

[shoeless]

Bill,

Didnt know that BE VERY CAREFUL and hope you feel better.

Jeff

[shoeless]

Bill,

I would go with the 7 as well as Doc would say look who owns the last 2 fractions.

Jeff

[CEW]

Hi Parts.............

I was reading through your comments on Synergism, etc. Interesting observations....and more power to you on your positive outlook. Bob Purdy really hit the nail on the head with that program.

I've been a phase 3 type handicapper since the 80s. Synergism II, in my opinion, is the ultimate program. Mainly due to the use of the old meridian variant. Once the user learns how to put the in right pacelines, the sky is the limit on high dollar mutuels. 2 horse betting is key.


After Howard passed, I decided I was not going to rely on anyone for software anymore. So I hired a programmer and we put together a download program using Formulator. It took care of the manual input, of course, and allowed me to concentrate on paceline selection. This way, I could start looking at races the same way every time without having to grind out the numbers. Things turned for me nicely once I got to that point.

The basis for mine is the meridian variant. I picked Synergism II apart over the course of one winter and figured out every adjustment it makes, save for one. In a nutshell, shippers (or any horse from another distance or surface) go through a meridian variant. Non shippers do not. Non shippers get a certain amount of adjusting based on the input of the track record.

I wished Bob would have had that program available in a download format, which would be a killer. I could be wrong, but I think his Syn 6 is all linear adjusted, like TPR. I used it briefly and was out of my element.

Anyway, that's my take!

Regards,


Chuck Wilson

[lenabugg]

this site dosnt help people that that are new to the game.i can not win with this rdss.nor is there any new help for setup ,it work when it came out .no ve good help. you all keep good info for ones self.
gione really

[JimG]

this site dosnt help people that that are new to the game.i can not win with this rdss.nor is there any new help for setup ,it work when it came out .no ve good help. you all keep good info for ones self.
gione really

This site is the best on the internet for a new player. There is a plethora of free fantastic information that Ted and others have put together in the Sartin Library that is available for reading at all times. Not to mention the numerous posts from many Sartin-type handicappers that have "been there, done that".

If you are willing to do the work and just need a helping hand there are numerous people here that will help. Bill Varone is an excellent example of somebody that gives a lot of his time and expects nothing in return. He derives enjoyment from the "friends helping friends win" principle.

However, if you come here just expecting people who have been grinding at this great sport for 20+ years to just hand you their winning plays and how they got them, that is a bit unrealistic. The tools are here, people are here to answer your questions, and the people here are so knowledgeable.

When I was a newer player back in the day, I would have given anything for a group like this. Even though I personally am not a strict Sartin software player, the principles are extremely important for success.

I hope you stay and get your questions, which I have not read many of, answered. If not, I wish you nothing but good luck.

Jim

[Ted Craven]

A reply intended for this thread:

IHAVE SPENT $200.00 ON THE SOFTWARE FOR TWO YEARS AND MADEOOOOO$S .SAYING THAT WASNTLOOKING FOR A HAND OUT
I DO THINK I HAVE PAYED MY WAY. SO IF NO ONE WILL GIVE SOME GOOD INFO WHAT GOOD IS THE SiTE,SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND TO BUY THIS AND THAT .SO THIS IS MY LAST $100.00 .but i do thank you for your reply .haven't made any money ,hate to say what my loses are.

Lenabugg (Albert),

I agree (technically) with one point you make - 'this site doesn't help people'. That's the way it works: others do not help you more than you help yourself. I am reminded of the profound wisdom in the lyrics of the Beatles' final recorded song 'The End' ("And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love ... you make.") Translation: what you put into it is what you get out of it; give a little, and watch the (usually magnified) returns come back to you. BUT - you have to take the first step.

Perhaps I am losing my attention to details, but I do not remember your last request for assistance in mastering these tools and concepts (either a private or a public request). Operators are standing by! If anyone reports that they are having a wonderful time, making some money (or a LOT of money) with these tools then it follows that the tools are doing their job in the hands of a motivated and curious user. If you want to have some of the success you imagined for yourself when you first took on these tools - here is my suggestion: ask for help.

Here's how to do it: once a week (or twice a week, or once a day, depending on how much time you have to give), start a thread in the RDSS Forum with a specific race you worked which you did not win. It will be even better for you if you learn how to post a screenshot like you see everywhere on this website, so people can see what pacelines you have chosen, which horses you have chosen to make Contenders and which non-Contenders, and describe as clearly as possible your handicapping and betting decision practice. When you do this - and ask for others to help you understand the process by which they got the winners (or made money somehow betting that race) - this specific focus on details will help you gain knowledge and skills you currently do not have. But I repeat - the key, the absolute pre-requisite for success if you do not currently enjoy it - is to ask for help.

For example, I notice the last card you downloaded was for ZIA on December 1. Why not pick a race from that card or any other card you downloaded from that date and make it the subject of a discussion in a NEW THREAD in the RDSS Forum. Here is a video on how to make screenshots and add them to your posts here: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8335 I personally guarantee that I will comment on that race, and will encourage others to do the same. Keep on posting examples you would like help with and you will keep on getting answers. Consider joining the RDSS monthly Learning Contest and use it as a method for improving your game by continually asking for assistance. Download some of the same races others have worked in that Contest and see how you could get the same result as the winners did.

If you toil away on your own, you have only yourself as a teacher. If you join a 'school' of excited students and competent teachers - and give yourself to the learning process by joining in and 'emptying your cup' so new knowledge can flow in - your own efforts are magnified many-fold and the dreams you had of success at horse racing will stand a better chance of coming true.

You paid $200 so far for support - why not make use of it (and why not consider upgrading to RDSS2 while you're at it)!

Looking forward to being of assistance. And feel free to write me privately anytime (support@sartinmethodology.com).

cheers,

Ted

[lenabugg]

Ted,thanks for your reply,Idid download rdss2 .I also read the form and I know there is not a black box ,my biggest problem is pacelines to pick which I think may make the race and tryed all setting on rdss2 .

[partsnut]

this site dosnt help people that that are new to the game.i can not win with this rdss.nor is there any new help for setup ,it work when it came out .no ve good help. you all keep good info for ones self.
gione really

Hi,

I believe this is the first time I've seen you post.
First let me tell you and to my best knowledge, no one is getting rich here.
If there is, I can assure you that they are working hard and putting in many hours. Probably, more hours then those that choose to work a day job.
The people on this board enjoy the game and there are some members here that do in fact try to help people. It's your job to learn. This takes time, discipline and patience.

I believe Ted and Bill V. are dedicated to the success of the board members. I know they would be happy to address and answer your questions.

Please keep in mind that any horse racing software you might buy does not automatically guarantee you success. It is merely a tool.
As with most horse racing software you need to go through a learning curve and then it's up to you to find a way to make it work for you. Hopefully you are able to do this. You have to learn how to win with it, (before you bet). It takes a lot of trial and error, constant study and hard work and will take some time for you to adjust to it. There's no quick fix or magic bullet.

No one is holding back anything.
This site provides you with a wealth of information for you to read, learn and understand the principles of the Sartin Methodology.

If you need help just ask for it. I'm sure someone will answer your questions.

[Ted Craven]

Ted,thanks for your reply,Idid download rdss2 .I also read the form and I know there is not a black box ,my biggest problem is pacelines to pick which I think may make the race and tryed all setting on rdss2 .

Lenabugg,

I started this RDSS thread here: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?p=86916 for you to start working on some of the issues you mentioned. Let's leave this particular thread to focus on Synergism, since it is a Forum devoted to Synergism.

See you there!

Ted