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barb craven
10-02-2012, 01:54 PM
My Way is the same as September, but I'll post it here again.

As I'm one of those that play in the moment and look for value, not necessarily the winner, I thought I would post my way of looking at a race at the beginning of the month. I tend to play the smaller tracks because the prices are better there, and as you will see as you read further, I don't eliminate down to the best five horses until after I have looked at all the RDSS screens because a good long shot might be missed . I don't usually post in here until about 5 mpt and make my bet at 0 mpt so it's impossible for me to put my reasoning down at that time.

I start by using the automatic line selection, best of the last three perceptor, and then go over each horse to make sure that is the line I want to use. I use the adjusted speed rating to do this. I sometimes will go back more than three races to get the line I think best represents what I think the horse will do today. For that I take into consideration the number of days back the line is. I'm looking for what he can do on similar distance and surface. I like to see it within 90 days but if he has worked out I will go back a little further. For turf, I will take his best line, within reason, but will go back further if I have to.

After I have the lines picked, I let RDSS take over. I look first at the POH screen. For the sprints, I pay attention to F#1&2, SC and TS, for routes I look more at F#3 and DCL. Next I look at the energy screen. Here I look at the Energy, FX, E/EP and TPP for sprints and Energy, FW, L/EP and TPP for routes. Unlike most I skip over the TPR screen to the Segments and look at the CBL and if it is a route, also the incremental matchup. Then in Primary I eliminate down to 5, sometimes I'm able to get to 4 or 3, then on to BL. I am a colour person, so on this screen I look for the hoses with the most red and green as I have been doing all along with all the other screens, This time I pay attention also to the corollaries as well as I have found them to be a very powerful reinforcement.

Now to decide who to bet on. If there is a strong early favourite and another who looks like might be equally strong, but coming in late, I will bet against the favourite and put a win, place on the next one, especially if it is in my third BL tier which I have found for me wins more often than not. If there are two horses I like, I will bet them both to win. Lately I have found a new thing to look for, coming from Rev. Bert, who looks for patterns in everything. We found that if you see a pattern of yellows show up at Finger Lakes, that horse will be in the money and often win.

There is probably more I could add to this, but this is the general way I do things. Having explained the way I do a race, all you will see in the September contest is the screen shots, more than one if I have time, but of course at least one.

Good skill everyone.

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barb craven
10-07-2012, 03:14 PM
prx r7 $60w #6
$40w #11

barb craven
10-07-2012, 05:26 PM
30792

barb craven
10-10-2012, 09:17 AM
Haw 2
$60 w 8
$40 w 4
shots to follow

barb craven
10-10-2012, 03:54 PM
Nice win.
30847

barb craven
10-10-2012, 04:34 PM
haw r4
$50 p 5,7

Bill V.
10-10-2012, 04:34 PM
Yes She Is>>

Nice win Barb BIG BLUE STAR :cool:

30850

barb craven
10-10-2012, 05:03 PM
haw r5
$60 w 7
$40 p 7

barb craven
10-10-2012, 05:07 PM
Thanks Bill.

barb craven
10-10-2012, 05:28 PM
Place is okay.
30855

barb craven
10-10-2012, 05:29 PM
lost.
30856

barb craven
10-10-2012, 06:07 PM
haw r7
$50 w 1,5

barb craven
10-10-2012, 06:23 PM
Ouch!! This one hurts. Should have had the courage to put a w,p on the 5.
30857

barb craven
10-10-2012, 07:17 PM
Hoo r5
$60 w 7
$40 w 8

barb craven
10-10-2012, 07:30 PM
Lost.
30858

barb craven
10-11-2012, 02:46 PM
Haw r1
$60 w $40 p #3

barb craven
10-12-2012, 11:46 AM
Almost forgot to post the results. Sorry it's so late Bill. Another loss.
30864

barb craven
10-15-2012, 04:22 PM
fl r8
$50 wp 7

Bill V.
10-15-2012, 04:38 PM
Good job Barb

Good to see a win :)

30901

barb craven
10-15-2012, 04:50 PM
fl r9
$50 wp #10

barb craven
10-15-2012, 05:28 PM
TDN R 8
$60 w 3
$40 w 4

barb craven
10-16-2012, 08:20 AM
FL r8 $50 w,p #7
I have to explain why I went so deep for the 7. I have been experimenting with Rmath's system which he posted some time ago and peeked my interest. I have my DTV set at 100% on one machine and as I have another, I kept it at the default of 50%.He's been kind enough to mentor me in this. one thing I now look at is all the horses pp's and #7 has only been running at FL and PID. There was one recent 9f he ran and won at Fl, but the rest of his shorter sprints at FL were deeper. so tried one of them to see what would happen. Another tool I used is the comp speed numbers on the NP page. I've found them and the Hidden and TPP figures to be very powerful. I can't really explain why I used him. other than he is in my 3rd tier on BL, which is, for me the one I win on the most. By all rights I should have bet the 5, but sometimes you just have a feeling,
30902

barb craven
10-16-2012, 08:23 AM
fl r9
$50 wp #10
Losing this one was sheer stupidity on my part. The 5 was just sitting there.
30903

barb craven
10-16-2012, 08:27 AM
Another nice one using the same method. I really recommend you find Rmathe's post on this. It's very interesting.
30904

barb craven
10-16-2012, 08:28 AM
Thanks once again for your kind words Bill. You are always so very encouraging.

Bill V.
10-16-2012, 10:54 AM
Hi Barb and group

I will show the winning horse PP. In all honesty no matter what
settings and this percentage or that percentage one uses is not really the
issue here. What is to me what won this race is the choice to go back over 300 days to a muddy line.

And then bet it in tier 3! for a $6 horse :)

Good for you and others who hit these types of bets
The contest is about winning with RDSS so good for you
Just wanted to show the group that
folowing directions or home brews systems
it all comes down to paceline choices

30905

barb craven
10-16-2012, 01:17 PM
Prx r3
$50 w 4
$50 w 1

Bill V.
10-16-2012, 01:43 PM
Hello Barb

May I ask which line you used for this horse ?

Thanks Bill
30911

barb craven
10-16-2012, 03:11 PM
Prx r7
$60 w 10
$40 p 1

barb craven
10-16-2012, 07:09 PM
Hi Bill. I used the last line. I notice you are displaying the original screen. I always use the adjusted. But having said that, thanks for catching me up on that. I should have used line 4, but in this case was lazy and let the program do the picking for me without going back and checking the lines. Had I done that the winners would have been in their proper place.

barb craven
10-16-2012, 07:17 PM
Hi Barb and group

I will show the winning horse PP. In all honesty no matter what
settings and this percentage or that percentage one uses is not really the
issue here. What is to me what won this race is the choice to go back over 300 days to a muddy line.

And then bet it in tier 3! for a $6 horse :)

I just had to reply to your statement here Bill. I bet it because it was in tier 3. For whatever reason, that is the tier that gets me the most winners.:):)

Bill V.
10-16-2012, 07:27 PM
Hi Barb and group

I will show the winning horse PP. In all honesty no matter what
settings and this percentage or that percentage one uses is not really the
issue here. What is to me what won this race is the choice to go back over 300 days to a muddy line.

And then bet it in tier 3! for a $6 horse :)

I just had to reply to your statement here Bill. I bet it because it was in tier 3. For whatever reason, that is the tier that gets me the most winners.:):)

Thats good Barb And this is important for the group to understand .
You get winners in tier 3, but its the pacelines that you use that place
the horses in tier 3 . So my question to the group stands
"would you use a 300+ day old muddy line ? "
Barb would, so she gets the horse in tier 3
Your paceline choices rank the horses.
As they say in the TV ads "your results will vary"

Bill V.
10-16-2012, 07:54 PM
Thanks for getting back to me about the 1 horse
Here is my opinion
I will show the original lines and the adjusted lines together
Either way I would not enter a line for this horse

Line 1 is a turf line so thats issue 1
Lets look at line 1
Ben walked out of the gate and
was beaten 21 and 20 legnths
Notice the early late graph,
This is not indicitive of the horses ability. What is its ability? It has only
1 plus race It won a state bred maiden claimer on the turf so who knows
what it ran against ?
Line 4 is another very poor effort
The horse shows nothing, beaten by 20


Anyway Thanks for the race

Here are the lines I used The 3 is now a bet in tier 3 right ?

30923

30924

barb craven
10-16-2012, 07:54 PM
I have to reply to this too Bill. I don't as a rule go back that far, I usually use the best of the last 3 adjusted, but in this race there weren't any dirt sprints in any of those lines and I wanted a dirt sprint line, not a poly route. I actually put in lines 7,8,9 and let the program tell me which one to use. If I had of used line 3 (the best of the last 3 ) it would have cost me the race.

Bill V.
10-16-2012, 08:01 PM
I understand Barb

thanks for the discussion
its important for us to see were winners come from
not just wins and loss statements

Good Skill
Bill

barb craven
10-16-2012, 10:27 PM
Prx r3
$50 w 4
$50 w 1
lost
30935

barb craven
10-16-2012, 10:29 PM
Prx r7
$60 w 10
$40 p 1
lost
30936

barb craven
10-18-2012, 05:45 PM
Tdn r8
$60w 9
$40p 5

barb craven
10-18-2012, 05:55 PM
Almost.
30975

barb craven
10-18-2012, 06:48 PM
Hoo4
$100 1w

barb craven
10-18-2012, 07:41 PM
Hoo r6
$60 w 8
$40 w 9

barb craven
10-18-2012, 08:42 PM
Hoo4
$100 1
lost
30977

barb craven
10-18-2012, 08:44 PM
Hoo r6
$60 w 8
$40 w 9
win
30978

barb craven
10-20-2012, 02:09 PM
Kee 3
$60 w, $40 p 3

barb craven
10-20-2012, 02:41 PM
Kee 4
20 wp 7
$30 wp 8

barb craven
10-21-2012, 11:22 AM
Kee 3
$60 w, $40 p 3
It looked like the 1 was going to win which it did, but it also, to me looked like the 3 would at least come in 2nd at a much better price, so I gambled and lost.31026

barb craven
10-21-2012, 11:26 AM
Kee 4
20 wp 7
$30 wp 8
The 4..the one and only FTS
lost again
31027

barb craven
10-21-2012, 01:22 PM
Prx r3
$20 w,p 8
$30 w,p 6

buffaloxp
10-21-2012, 03:38 PM
hi barb,
the #4 is not fts, his first run is in kd, brins have his speed num of 80, and i found some horse run in kd and run back to kee meet has not update,
ray
Kee 4
20 wp 7
$30 wp 8
The 4..the one and only FTS
lost again
31027

barb craven
10-27-2012, 12:48 PM
Prx r2
$30 w 2
$70 p 2

barb craven
10-28-2012, 11:59 AM
Prx r2
$30 w 2
$70 p 2
Lost. sorry I didn't get this in on time Bill.
31206

barb craven
10-30-2012, 05:03 PM
Zia r9
$100 w #5