Enough, I surrender

[pktruckdriver]

It seems that I am not who I thought I was. I should surrender and leave for awhile, my teammates have other issues to deal with, and probally do not need the added pressure of this contest right now.

See Previous Post. "Prayers for my teamate "

I was dead last this week and not much better last week, and my team mate is not getting better, instead of me winning one for the gipper, (Rich), I lost horribly !!

Besides pissing people off already, I think a sneaking away party is needed for me, see y'all !!

Guess I did not learn the program like I thought I did, the results speak for themselves, oh well.

Thank you everyone who helped me, Bill V., thank you so much.


PS: I have many dvd's crammed with all the Follow Ups, most of the seminars, with audio and workbooks, and many other Sartin stuff, do I post them to ebay, or ask here first. I had enough, and besides I have no money to continue downloading and or betting, why continue, would you?

Ted or Bill , edit the last pargraph if you need to, okay, no hard feelings

[Bill V.]

Well Patrick

You seem to have hit bottom. So now why don't you take a break

If I was you I would stop betting and downloading for a few weeks


When you feel better than just go back and READ the follow ups
again and then chart what winners pace lines look like

Go back to races you know you won. You have records right ?
If you don't then make that your first goal
Keep records READ !!! about contenders and pace lines
Stop looking for the best read out !!!!

In the mean time go back to the contest area and
look for races were people have the winner and if you
have the same card redo the race.
Just notice how often the winner comes from a recent plus paceline
Do your plus plus within a zero and zeros for every horse in every race
you can do this in the time you used to handicap

Make it your job.

Learn how to do your ESP notations

Think about contenders not readouts

Forget about contest
Just try to be better than you

Hope you feel better
Bill

[barb craven]

I'm sorry Patrick, but I thought you were better than that. It's all well and good to say you've had enough, but what about your teammates in the contest. You begged people to help you form a team and many helped you to do that. Your one team mate did so with much reluctance, but only to help out a friend. And what about your other teammate who has faithfully gone along with you.
So you're near the bottom. So what. So are we. But stuff happens in life and you keep plowing along in spite of it. I know we are going to stay at or near the bottom for the next few weeks because of certain circumstances, but are we giving up...NO.
I had faith in you. You disappoint me greatly.

[shoeless]

besides I have no money to continue downloading and or betting, why continue, would you?


Patrick,

Sorry to intrude here as I do not know you but if this is the case
you are smart to walk away. In my younger days I was throwing
all my hard earned money at the track and running up credit cards
to do so. Fortunately I realized this is not the way to live and was
able to stop on my own, I do still play mostly weekends but ONLY
WITH WHAT I CAN AFFORD.

Im sure your teamates will understand and if they dont you have
to do what is best for you.

Take that money your wasting and save it as you never know when
you will need it.

Take Care
Jeff

[Bill V.]

Thats too bad Barb

But If Patrick's mindset is of failure. Making him feel guilty about leaving his teamates is not the reason to go back

The man needs to step back , This is not a one time deal
where somebody blows a gasket after a few bad losing streaks
This is a over and over again problem which we have seen for years This man needs to be reprogrammed. What ever Patrick "should" do
He must deal with.

From a distance it seems like part of Patrick's problem is he is too
dependent on what others do.

No body walks out on teamates. If Patrick were on my team I would just
want him to be happy> I can't imagine the pain he must have felt writting that first post

Bill

[Bill V.]

Great point Jeff

Patrick must have thousands of races he has downloaded over the years
EQUIbase has a historical chart system (free) Patrick can just work on races at his own pace and check his own progress


Spending money he does not have on downloads is not going to help him

Bill

[JimG]

In my younger days I was throwing
all my hard earned money at the track and running up credit cards
to do so.

Boy Jeff did that strike a nerve. Me too. It took something traumatic in my life (which I will not go into) that caused me to change my outlook on the game and got me to go it alone and be serious.

I would strongly recommend Patrick permanently walk away from the game. Do not spend another dime on software (He is active here and at HSH) or downloads or spend time on horse racing boards. I hope Patrick continues to lose weight and truly find happiness. I wish him nothing but the best. However, if prior patterns re-emerge, I would imagine we have not heard the last from the truck driver.

Jim

[shoeless]

I would strongly recommend Patrick permanently walk away from the game.


Jim G,

This is what I was trying to tell him as well great point.

I expect there are more then us two who have been through that
of betting beyond our means.

Like the pic of the dog

I do wish I had the willpower to lose weight as Patrick has


Bill V,

Good points too , his well being is much more important then some
horse race contest

Jeff

[barb craven]

I'm sorry Bill and Jeff. Patrick knows what I mean and I stand by what I said. You all know me. I'm not a mean person and I can understand almost anyone's circumstance especially Patrick's. Lord knows I've been through most myself.
Our team is between a rock and a hard place these next few weeks, but NONE of us are giving up. We are continuing on with a positive attitude that things have only one way to go and that's up when we get back on an even keel. Any one of us could have thrown in the towel, but leaving our team mates in the lurch is not in the way you do things. Once a team is formed, you stick by your mates come hell or high water. It's all for one and one for all.
Ted, this may not belong here and delete it if you will, but that's the last I'll say of it.

[barb craven]

Sorry Jeff and Jim, I didn't see you weigh in here.

[JimG]

Like the pic of the dog


Thanks. That's my dog "Boo" and I'll tell her what you said. She's a rescue and I happen to think she is very photogenic. :)

[shoeless]

Barb,


This should not be about some team in a horse racing contest
rather a person's well being.


Jeff

[vderdak]

Patrick

I agree, you should quit, all of the information provided here is for you to review and take what works and use, what doesn't for you toss away but you have to think for yourself.

I will say this though, and take this in an instructive way, just observing your posts and what I believe many think but don't want to say is - you need to grow up and quit whinning about everything, be an adult.

Quit complaining or seeking sympathy because you don't get it. Please don't be that type of man.

So you lose, big deal! It's not the end of the world, it's only a hobby anyway, don't let your character be defined by horses running around in a circle.

So good luck and may god bless you in the future wherever that leads you!

[pktruckdriver]

Barb, Bill and Jeff, I thank you for your responses, and your true opinions, I would expect no less.

Barb, as for the team, if my team member does not recover, last chat I had with him he sounded horrible, yes he could recover, I hope so, and then there is his wife of many many years, also, not doing the best, should he be made to endure a contest with so little to offer, over spending all the time with his wife, he has my prayers, my Churches prayers, and hopefully all of y'all's prayers too. But is not life more important than a contest, well to me it is, I was wrong dragging Rich into this, I feel bad for that, should have respected his wishes to not participate, isn;t that what true friends do? And Raymond, well he too is very very busy with his business, and doing great, but only if he is there and working, there is nothing wrong with that, actually it is very honorable for him to work so hard, I respect him for it, we all should, that is why, this team while made up of great friends, may not be the right thing for us, at this time. I did not forsee Rich's health problems , or Ray's need to work so hard, or my meltdown, and need for surgery, so sorry you are dissappointed, guess in time I will get over it, not a sarcastic response, I would love to have your ringing endorsment, honest, I always enjoyed our time together, our few talks, your duaghters attempt to help me with my health issues, and then Ted.

Jeff, you man are so right on, if you can't afford to play then go away, wish I learned that long ago, but like those that play the lottery, you hang around waiting for a nice big hit, that never comes, that you shoulda had, they are there everyday, big hits, yet I have eluded them so far, funny kinda, but in truth very sad, oh well. Can I learn now and try to keep the team going, if they both want to continue, I guess I would, but they have more important things in there life right now. Yes I guess you all could say the same thing and be right too, life we all live each day and do our best, some better than others, Rich has millions of grand kids to be with, ones who love him and her so much, there time should be with them, no? Not some losing horse player like me, just my thoughts, can you see it otherwise ?

Bill , as usual you're advice is right on, i may be in that lull, and the next 2 weeks be on top again, but my paceline selection is , for me the best I can do, and when in doubt I will use 2-3 lines and see what is better, I try some match up techniques learned from the Match up books, and then as for the +'s and -'s and circle's, to me that is not needed in RDSS because of the color coding, which I love so much. I now look at the conditions too, workouts for some races and modleing too, all this I do, as I been taught to do. But losing streaks are always there for all of us, maybe more so for me, not !!

The contest has races I most likely would not play, but must, so I do, we all do, some do very well with them, me not so well.

I focus more on Dirt sprints, 6 f and 8- 8.5 turf routes, clm/alw and some minor stakes, I do my best work with these two types of races, my records show this, yes records I keep them, did you think I did not, how can you try to win without them, right? But enough for now, I know my strentghs and weaknesses and still have trouble with my weaknesses, which I will not discuss now.

I must go now, think what you must , but sometimes friends get there friends into things they should not have been in, this looks to me like one of those times, I apologize to them for it, I was not thinking of them when trying to put a team together, again one of my faults.

Patrick

[barb craven]

Just for the record, Patrick, I just finished speaking with Richard and he is coming along quite well. Still coughing, but a lot better and doing all his races which are his life`s blood, as usual. No sarcasm, just thought you`d like to know that all your prayers have been answered.

[Dorianmode]

Patrick,
I don't know you well enough to sort out what is actually going on there. But you are one of our best. If you are having trouble, I also say, take a break, and then come back, and for a few weeks, "reverse engineer" what wins. Don't even bother to handicap, for a few weeks. When you come back, just look at the winner, in the results, and THEN look at what would have won, by handicapping. Ask your self, "what are all the ways I would have had the winner in my top 4,3,2 ?" It's eye - opening when you're on a loosing streak. It's also how I tell people how to learn racing when they're beginning. Just let the results talk to you. Skip the wagering, and just do numbers for a while. NO BETTING. No pressure. Objectively look at what wins.

[shoeless]

Those of you telling Patrick to take a break and come back are not
doing this guy one ounce of good. Instead he should be encouraged
just to walk away and go on with the rest of his life.There are things
FAR MORE IMPORTANT then being able to beat a race.

[pktruckdriver]

Thank you all

I over reacted, as always I do, but my life needs a recess maybe, too much for me to deal with, and yet I must deal with it. Sounds cryptic, but to me it does not, I'll do the best I can and let things sort out however they do,

Sorry for bringing it up, as someone said, and when looking at it now, it seemed that I am looking for sympathy, God I fffing hope not, if so then yes I need a lot of help, where is Doc Sartin now, I could use his theraputic help, my life is a mess, and I created it . POW , has helped me see thigs differently, but still on your own and not really , nevr mind.

Thanks all

Sorry

patrick

[atlasaxis]

Patrick,

We have not met and only conversed when collaborating on transferring the Sartin tapes to dvd. I know only about you from your posts on PA and here on P & C. Your situation in life FAR exceeds some meaningless contest and your decision to distance yourself from this GAME is step one on the road to positive changes in your life.

If Doc Sartin were still with us he could offer his expert advice. Sadly he is not, but there is someone that I know that he respected (only through readings of the Follow Ups) as a fellow psychologist, and that is Dr Robert Anthony. I see your latest posts not as looking for sympathy, but a cry for help. Three of Dr Anthony’s many books are a must read for anyone seeking to better themselves in life: The Ultimate Secrets of Total Self-Confidence; Dr Robert Anthony’s Advanced Formula For Total Success; Beyond Positive Thinking: A No-Nonsense Formula for Getting the Results You Want. They are available used from Amazon. If having a hard copy is not important to you, pm me with your contact info and I will send you the e-book versions that I have.

You owe no one an apology for anything Patrick. Horse racing is a game, life is not. I love the saying: “Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.” It is your decisions, not your desires that determine your destiny and I applaud you for taking that first decisive step. I wish you the best.

Best regards,
Tom

[atkinsrr]

PK I totally agree with atlasaxis...very well said....another great book by Dr. Anthony is called "Betting on Yourself". On page 98 he describes his first contacts with the "DOC" about win therapy...very helpful reading and great learning from this book..in addition...I'm wondering how many of the Baltimore Ravens have heard of "Doc" Sartin and the Psychology of Winning. Did they mentally take it to the 49ers or what??? yea I bet on the RAVENS BUT NOT BRAGGING...but I could see this coming a mile away...the supposedly best team (physically and athletically) doesn't always win..but the team that is better prepared MENTALLY WILL USUALLY PREVAIL. And defense does win championships...same is true for us wagering on horses...we have to be better prepared mentally than those whom we are wagering against...PK..take care of those health and personal issues...our # 1 concern in life should be our personal health...when you lose that, nothing else matters...best to you...Randy A.

[shoeless]

I was rooting for the Ravens, but giving up 29 points is not what
I call good defense.

[atkinsrr]

I know Shoeless but as offensive minded as the NFL is it's hard to keep teams from scoring but the reason they had the better defense was they kept the 49ers offense down for about 40 out of the 60 minutes and stopped them in the red zone on four consecutive plays inside the 7 yard line in the last 2 minutes..when it really counted and that's the way their season was ...bend but not break....still believe they were tougher mentally..and that's what got the job done.

[trotman]

Patrick just by opening up to us all, in my books your on your way to getting things in order. This game of Horse Racing is no walk in the park despite what you might have read or heard from others. There will be winners and also rans just like the races themselves, just try and find the positive in all this. I have read many of your posts and some days your into the bit and up, and then other days your all over the place. This may sound crude, but just waiting for an accident so you can show up. I for one are behind you 100% in this first big step that you have taken, because it was your step, no one else can lay claim to that, you own this one. The good times will always be imbedded in your mind, the people you met or spoke with, hold on to them because these are positive memorries, and always will be. We have never met but you can count on me to have your back partner, and you know how to get a hold of me. May the peace be with you.

[shoeless]

Patrick,

I hope that you listened to yourself and did indeed walk away and
did not let others persuade you otherwise.


If not I dont feel sorry for you as it was your choice but I do feel
sorry for the ones that wanted you to keep trying.

Jeff