PoH/PoR

[Segwin]

With regards to the attached picture: What is the significance of the PoH/PoR?

How does viewing this relate to today's race and how does it affect betting?

[Bill V.]

Hi Terry

First thing I need to ask you is what line would you use for this horse?

when you make that decision I will be able to relate it to the answer of POR POH

[Segwin]

1st line Bill.

[Bill V.]

Thanks Terry

Just for my own interest ( others too? )
Since you chopped off the date and race #
what race is this ..


Now to your answer. Is line 1 a plus line ?
Is this representative of what you feel the horse will run in the race you are handicapping ?


As for as your POR /POH

Now look at the POH or PACE OF HORSE figures for this horse.
Since I don't know the distance of the race your showing its up to you to tell me.

In all its plus races which have been adjusted to this race distance
and equalized to a "Sartin Downs" racetrack, when it runs plus races
what is the POH total energy for those races ?

Next in those plus races what was the PACE OF THE RACE (POR) it ran
against.?

So now after you have all your contenders and representative pace lines
you can see if the expected pace of race total energy will be something this horse can run against ,
Now If you look at the total energy for all those contenders and you see
this horse has never been able to run against what you expect the POR
total energy to be then you have to decide if its final odds justify the risk
of a bet.

[The Pook]

Bill

By setting a fulcrum and allowing the horse to be a contender through that process is what you talked about above not somewhat redundant?

Pook

[Bill V.]

Hi Terry

I figured out this is race 6 from GP on 3/13/14

Ted replaced the LSP readout from Validator with the POR POH total energy readouts

The LSP rated the pacelines the user picked to which horse rated best
in a formula that measured the difference in the POR and POH for the paceline
and then gave it a rating

Here is the GP Race in RDSS and in Dos Validator
I have highlighted the LSP readout

36898

36899

[Bill V.]

Bill

By setting a fulcrum and allowing the horse to be a contender through that process is what you talked about above not somewhat redundant?

Pook

Yes Its basically the same thing. A horse runs as\s fast as it needs to,- to win
The whole question of the match up and horse racing is, how fast can the horse run if it has to run faster in today's race

Bill

[Segwin]

Thanks Terry

Just for my own interest ( others too? )
Since you chopped off the date and race #
what race is this ..




Sorry about that Bill. Sometimes if the pic is too wide or long it exceeds the upload limit. That's why I clipped it.

It's today at GP. Opps - had the wrong race however I see you found it. The pick 6 carryover is 2.7 mill :eek:

For this type of race I really dig down into my pocket and splurge on the .20 cent pick 6 - :D

[Segwin]

Bill, can you add the 4 horse to Val please?

My screen shot - I'm choosing to go with the 4 - the trainer and jockey are pretty good.

[Bill V.]

As far as showing you Val 4,You will get the exact same readouts if you just switch your mode to Val 4. Then clear your cache for this race and reopen RDSS and select your line

Thanks
Bill

[Ted Craven]

Hi Terry

I figured out this is race 6 from GP on 3/13/14

Ted replaced the LSP readout from Validator with the POR POH total energy readouts

The LSP rated the pacelines the user picked to which horse rated best
in a formula that measured the difference in the POR and POH for the paceline
and then gave it a rating

Here is the GP Race in RDSS and in Dos Validator
I have highlighted the LSP readout

36898

36899

Just in case anyone asks why the RDSS and Val4 readouts are in slightly different order - the line chosen for the 6 horse is different.

Ted

[Bill V.]

That is true Ted

The reason I used line 3 on Val4 is because In line 1 the horse was beaten by 9
which in Val 4 is a non usable line

Bill

[Segwin]

Using the Fulcrum I choose the horse that fits the criteria. This then helps determine pace, or more correctly, which horse(s) will be able to compete against it.

How does one go about estimating PoR, for today's race, ending up with the numbers that are shown in the PoR TE ie. 170.1 / 168.1 etc.

[Bill V.]

If you can do that you already can predict the future
so why not just bet $$$$ on the winner :)


There is no way to figure out how RDSS is going to adjust the results of a race before its run. You don't know what the DTV is or how they use the ITV

The POR POH numbers you highlighted are adjusted to today track, surface,
DTV and ITV by Trackmaster/RDSS once they know the results .

You can always just use Val 4 DOS and or many of the earlier programs
like PL4 and Synthesis or Valm and you will get a compounded rating
of the POR/POH called LSP or you could find someplace a program of Doc's
called Quad Rator which is based totally on the POR/POH calculations

So if you want to hand enter your pace lines and work in Dos that is your
solution
Or you can stay with RDDS2 and use the tools you have :)

[Bill V.]

I can get a rough estimate of what some of the Parx distance races will rate on total energy based on raw par times but Its really a rough guess
to try to figure out the DTV and how its applied. Every time I think I have the
DTV figured out There comes a day that makes no sense

Bill

[Segwin]

If you can do that you already can predict the future
so why not just bet $$$$ on the winner :)




I can already do that however it becomes a bore and I have the attention span of a knat :D

On to the more serious side - I've been using PoH/PoR as another tool to see who can be a contender - can they match the PoR that other horses in the race have been able to do. I thought there might be a way to estimate pace of today's race, much like the Fulcrum method, via the PoH/PoR #s.

Thanks again for the help Bill.

[Segwin]

I can get a rough estimate of what some of the Parx distance races will rate on total energy based on raw par times but Its really a rough guess
to try to figure out the DTV and how its applied. Every time I think I have the
DTV figured out There comes a day that makes no sense

Bill

You don't use DVT do you Bill? I thought I read somewhere you don't use that feature.