Feedback Please / Aqueduct Wednesday / Race 4

[RichieP]

Speculator - Validator - Synthesis

Ok gang let's get with this race.

Wednesday - 4/19 - Aqueduct - Race 4 - 6f

nice big full field entered. Work the race YOUR way. Do YOUR thing. Hide YOUR way.

Do YOU get a horse who has ALL the following corrolaries:

1) Top 2 - Epr
2) Top 3 - Hidden Energy
3) Top 3 - Entropy ( Speculator and Validator users PLEASE use readout from the "superscreen" NOT decel rank.)

WHO is the horse ?

ALL are encouraged to weigh in. If you do NOT get a horse in ALL categories but worked the race PLEASE post that info ok? VERY important in it's own right man.

I will build our "Matrix" as the feedback comes in. Last time "Group Intelligence" nailed $ 20.00 winner at Mnr.

Let's hammer this ****ing Aqu race now :D

Thank you
Richie:)

[RichieP]

3) Top 3 - Entropy ( Speculator and Validator users PLEASE use readout from the "superscreen" NOT decel rank.)
Richie:)

ok just got an email asking " what the heck is superscreen" ?

Sorry gang showing my age here.

The superscreen is the lower half of the bl/bl screen showing all the corrolaries ok? On Synthesis it was called Superscreen. sorry bout that

Please use the "ENT" rank from the BL/BL screen :)

Thanx
Richie

[admin]

Rich
as of 5.30 am Tuesday Trackmaster has not added the Aqu0419 file
so I can't work the race yet I will try when I get home

GS
Bill

[gl45]

Nobody has posted yet. Bris,TSN,PD

[RichieP]

after reducing field to FIVE

top 2 EPR - Top 3 HID - Top 3 ENT

I get 2 qualifiers:

# 7 - Boardwalk Babe ( 5/2 ml)
# 8 - Flower Flag ( 8/1 ml)

Richie

[jms62]

after reducing field to FIVE

top 2 EPR - Top 3 HID - Top 3 ENT

I get 2 qualifiers:

# 7 - Boardwalk Babe ( 5/2 ml)
# 8 - Flower Flag ( 8/1 ml)

Richie

I only get 1:
# 7 - Boardwalk Babe ( 5/2 ml)

Note Flower Flag is not in my top 2 EPR only she qualifies on all else

[alydar_ David]

...Do YOU get a horse who has ALL the following corrolaries:

1) Top 2 - Epr
2) Top 3 - Hidden Energy
3) Top 3 - Entropy ( Speculator and Validator users PLEASE use readout from the "superscreen" NOT decel rank.)

WHO is the horse ?...

No horse qualifies per my use of Val3.

[tompkins]

S/P sprinters (unless they are stakes quality) need something to RUN AT. While the 7 appears to be a standout on logical readouts, the question might be, what will this one run at?


A four year tracking of winning e/l's from sprints there usually have them around +8-10

[Chazz]

Top 2

EPR 7-8
HE 8-4
BL/BL I don't have ENT in Val2. I have a strange looking E in that spot and it has top two 8-4
V/DC-T
7-1
8-1
4-2
10-3

Chazz

[RichieP]

Top 2

EPR 7-8
HE 8-4
BL/BL I don't have ENT in Val2. I have a strange looking E in that spot and it has top two 8-4
V/DC-T
7-1
8-1
4-2
10-3

Chazz

Yes Chazz that "E" IS Entropy in Val 2.Ok so you get the # 8 as a qualifier. Who is THIRD ranked in "HE" and "E" ? if BOTH of those are the # 7 then u get him as well ok?
Thanx for jumping in man!
Rich

[RichieP]

Thanx guys for the feedback

GOT IT

Richie

[kiltman]

Bottom Line Betting Line
PN Line used Line Score M/L
7 3 22.3 5/2
8 3 21.8 8/1
1 3 16.5 8/1
9 3 16.5 20/1
5 1 14.5 8

Just looking at this I would bet the 8 and 1 horse on the assumption that the 7 will be bet down below 3/2.

[RichieP]

A four year tracking of winning e/l's from sprints there usually have them around +8-10

my last 20 races at 6f - e/l graph is graphed

Everyone does select lines their own way so I do NOT doubt YOUR records.
These are mine. This is perfect example of why it is VITAL to keep records. Anyone TRULY wanting to win has to
keep em. Otherwise you are simply living some one else's reality and that never works.
Personalized records are a MUST.
ok

[RichieP]

what we have so far. heavy hitters to weigh in still :)

ok

Aqueduct Race 4 Matrix

#7 #8 no qual

1 1 1
1 1

[sdahl]

Hi Rich. After doing this race, the only one that meets your requirements is number 7.
Stan

[tompkins]

A second way an S/P Sprinter wins at Aqueduct (or anywhere for that matter) is when there is NO early pace pressure so one gets the "illusion" that they are S/P's when they default to that style as a result of simply NOT having to go faster earlier.

Also be very careful in JUST using the e/l paceline from which you chose the winner as what is TYPICAL for said horse. One of the real epiphanies (and why I use two lines all the time) was realizing that the line chosen might be the ONE LINE that give the winner, but is atypical for that performer overall therby giving your e/l survey some false readings.

If one goes back in the #7's history, near the bottom, no other animal (Lines 8 and A) contended with anything below 22.0 and survived. Mark Aim Fire did but that was way back.

Still, this one will probably be too chaulky to bet on anyway.

[RichieP]

Bottom Line Betting Line
PN Line used Line Score M/L
7 3 22.3 5/2
8 3 21.8 8/1
1 3 16.5 8/1
9 3 16.5 20/1
5 1 14.5 8

Just looking at this I would bet the 8 and 1 horse on the assumption that the 7 will be bet down below 3/2.

Hey Russ,
IF you can could u check your corrolary screen and see if 1 or more horses fits these criteria please:

top 2 - EPR
top 3 - HID
top 3 - ENT

asking cause i have an idea and wanna see if it pans out man ok? so far folks have been very cool in participating. If you can't NO biggie.

Congrats btw on your Santa Anita work Sunday. 2 different guys told me you had that WHOLE card NAILED dude! Wow!

go head Kilt. u are " En Fuego"!

Richie

[RichieP]

Hi Rich. After doing this race, the only one that meets your requirements is number 7.
Stan

Thanx Stan!

will add your feedback in to the matrix on the next update. Really appreciate the help.

Rich:)

[tompkins]

looking at all these, which look atypical? all of the lines from this #7

[RichieP]

looking at all these, which look atypical? all of the lines from this #7

all due respect - not here please - start another thread PLEASE

the WHOLE purpose of THIS thread is to allow folks to do things THEIR own PERSONAL way. That is ALL. This is a chance for EVERYONE to weigh in with NO paying attention to the INDIVIDUAL but rather the GROUP intelligence.

you have your method great.

do YOU have a horse who is :

top 2 - EPR
top 3 - HId
top 3 - ENT

??

thank you
Richie

[tompkins]

the idea of discussion is to compare, observe, and discuss NOT LIMIT one's criteria to a narrow SINGULARITY.

THE DATA is right there is it not? To observe otherwise is to deny reality.

May I quote the RULES: "nice big full field entered. Work the race YOUR way. Do YOUR thing. Hide YOUR way."

[RichieP]

the idea of discussion is to compare, observe, and discuss NOT LIMIT one's criteria to a narrow SINGULARITY.

THE DATA is right there is it not? To observe otherwise is to deny reality.

May I quote the RULES: "nice big full field entered. Work the race YOUR way. Do YOUR thing. Hide YOUR way."


Fine. My question remains:
do you have a horse who is :
top 2 - EPR
top 3 - HId
top 3 - ENT

who is the horse ( s)?
thanx
Richie

[shoeless]

Richie,I have the 7 Jeff

[RichieP]

Richie have the following

Top 2 EPR 1 and 7
Top 3 HID 4 and 8 and 9
Top 3 ENT 4 and 7 and 8

Hope this helps

Definitely does man! Thanx Russ. Gonna call you Mr. "En Fuego" from now on! ;)

go head!
Richie

[admin]

Tompkins Please post screen shots with a bit more regard for ALL
the readers not just for yourself If you need help with more involved screens ask me for help

Here are the Early / Late and other readouts for Horse 7 which
you were showing

For those who are interested This is the Past Performance for the 7
horse. The top shot is the F1 version
The top half shows the Normalized Equalized Lines
with normal data Clas Field size Post position final odds
added on the lower half

The lower screen is the same horse but now since I pushed F4
we can see the Energy genorator screen and the Early Late
data and we can see how those lines were earned

Thanks

Bill

[kiltman]

Richie have the following

Top 2 EPR 1 and 7
Top 3 HID 4 and 8 and 9
Top 3 ENT 4 and 7 and 8

Hope this helps

[shoeless]

Tim,WHY DO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY TRY AND SCREW UP OTHER PEOPLES THREADS?The person who wrote it in the first place has a good reason for doing so,if you dont like it just move on to something else.Jeff

[RichieP]

Updated Matrix with Stan and Jeff and Russ(Kiltman "En Fuego")

#7 #8 No Qual
1 1 1
1 1 1
1
1

[kiltman]

Richie that first post of EPR HID and ENT was with all horses in race
This is with only top five after hides
EPR 1 and 7
HID 7 and 8 and 9
ENT 7 and 8 and 9
Now we got it together.

[RichieP]

Richie that first post of EPR HID and ENT was with all horses in race
This is with only top five after hides
EPR 1 and 7
HID 7 and 8 and 9
ENT 7 and 8 and 9
Now we got it together.

ok ok So I see you get the 7 also as the qualifier.

let me adjust the figs. Thanx Russ

[RichieP]

Updated Matrix with Stan and Jeff and Russ(Kiltman "En Fuego")

#7 #8 No Qual
1 1 1
1 1
1
1
1

[dogkatcher]

Using SpecEx.

Two qualifiers for me #7, #8


note: hiding to five left the 7 as lone qualifier, hiding to 4 which I try to do, left the dual qualifiers by your criteria. Keep up the great work Richie.

Best of Luck to All

[RichieP]

Using SpecEx.

Two qualifiers for me #7, #8


note: hiding to 4 which I try to do, left the dual qualifiers by your criteria. Best of Luck to All

YES Dog YES YOUR way baby. Thanx for the feedback. Greatly appreciated.

Richie

[delmarscott2004]

RichieP

As requested . Using SPECPA.EXE. Using placement in corrolaries , any horses fitting into top 2 -EPR , top 3 HE , top 3 Enropy. # 7 is the only one , handicapping and hiding my way from superscreen as your post requested.

Scott

[RichieP]

RichieP

As requested . Using SPECPA.EXE. Using placement in corrolaries , any horses fitting into top 2 -EPR , top 3 HE , top 3 Enropy. # 7 is the only one , handicapping and hiding my way from superscreen as your post requested.

Scott

Thanx Scott!

West Coast kicking it in.

Go head:)

Richie

[RichieP]

Updated Matrix with "Dogkatcher" and Mr.V.Scott ( West Coast)


#7 #8 No Qual
1 1 1
1 1
1 1
1
1
1

[gl45]

Richie,
I'm going to screw up your matrix:D

EPR=8-3
HID=8-9-3
ENT=8-10-3

love,
Pino

[admin]

AQU Race 4 0419

[RichieP]

Richie,
I'm going to screw up your matrix:D

EPR=8-3
HID=8-9-3
ENT=8-10-3

love,
Pino


Thats what we need Paisan. Some more stuff to throw in the "mix". So I add the 8 and 3

Bellisimo

Richie

[RichieP]

AQU Race 4 0419


Rocking right along here. Binder in the house!

Go head - we tap up the 7 based on YOUR read Bill

ok ok

Hey u think maybe "Brooks " can weigh in ?? **** I just thought of that Bill

go head Brooks!

Rich

[RichieP]

Updated Matrix with Pino and Binder in the house

#7 #8 #3 No Qual
1 1 1 1
1 1
1 1
1 1
1
1

[RichieP]

Morning Line odds:

# 7 - 5/2

# 8 - 8/1

# 3 - 15/1

[RichieP]

ANYONE posting in these "feedback needed" threads:

You need me for ANYTHING that YOU wanna work on just holler

I am THERE baby in spades

ANYTHING

ok

Richie

[RichieP]

forgot to add the 7 along with the 8 and 3 long day

here is the correct look


Updated Matrix with Pino and Binder in the house

#7 #8 #3 No Qual
1 1 1 1
1 1
1 1
1 1
1
1
1

[Cellarfunk]

RP

I get the #7 as only qualifier with Val3, My way...

CFunk

[partsnut]

The (7) would be my choice in this top loaded race.
Not much here to close against the (7). :D

[RichieP]

Updated Matrix with C Funk and Partsnut Thanx Guys!

#7 #8 #3 No Qual
1 1 1 1
1 1
1 1
1 1
1
1
1
1
1

[Dap Daddi]

Richie:

Good Evening to you and the rest of the members here at Pace and Cap. I was finally able to get to the reviewing Race No. 4 at Aquaduct for Wednesday April 19th 2006. From the limited data I was able to review as well my Spec150 readout, my conclusion is that the 8 horse is a very good bet at 8-1 morning line odds. I was intruiged to the fact that the horse has had 45 days rest (6 weeks) and shows several decent workouts prior to this race tomorrow. My handicapping experience and personal preference is that when a horse is laid off for a short period and given some R & R and shows competiive work pattern, theyusually come back sharp and run to their previous best or better every now and then. The 8 horse is stepping down to level she ran pretty good at before and maybe just maybe she presses and passes the #7 horse at the top of the stretch. That is my opinion and here is a snapshot of the BL/BL"

[RichieP]

Updated Matrix with Dap Daddi weighing in - Thanx Dap:)

#7 #8 #3 No Qual
1 1 1 1
1 1
1 1
1 1
1
1
1
1
1
1

[cprescigno]

OK I got it, I think. It is a bit late and I;m a little groggy.
I get two different reads depending on whether I leave in the 10 or the 1 horse in the top 5. I;m going with this one.

Top 2 EPR 7-5
Top 3 HID 8-4-5
Top 3 ENT 8-4-7

Charlie
Here's the BL Screen from Val3

[RichieP]

Updated Matrix with "C" Prescigno ( Bronx Tale) weighing in

#7 #8 #3 No Qual
1 1 1 1
1 1 1
1 1
1 1
1
1
1
1
1
1

[jms62]

Two things concern me about this race. #7 hasn't been able to followup a good Beyer effort with another acceptable effort in quite sometime. #8 has thrown in 2 clunkers in a row.

[gl45]

here are my selections:
#8 with #1 #3 #10
Pino

[Dap Daddi]

Two things concern me about this race. #7 hasn't been able to followup a good Beyer effort with another acceptable effort in quite sometime. #8 has thrown in 2 clunkers in a row.

Those two clunker races were against $45k claimers. Big difference running against $45k versus $17.5k claiming in my opinion. I have been wrong before playing the East Coast tracks so take this with a grain of salt.

Dap

[tompkins]

If one goes back in the #7's history, near the bottom, no other animal (Lines 8 and A) contended with anything below 22.0 and survived. Mark Aim Fire did but that was way back.

Still, this one will probably be too chaulky to bet on anyway.
interesting who ran second at 39/1

[gl45]

Richie,
as you know I won't bet a horse with chinese money unless is 3-1 or better.
I'm just happy that my #3 came into the mix, and you know why.
Love
Pino

[tompkins]

boxing the consensus was a nice payoff

[RichieP]

ok check the Matrix man.

overwhelming "Human intelligence" choice # 7 jogs at $ 5.90.

for the 2nd straight time the horse with ONE mention ( # 3) runs second. This time the exacta is 121 beans.

That is 2 for 2 now YOU all have identified the winner. a 60/40 split on the 7 and 8 is ok right?

the exacta is there in a box with the ONLY other horse mentioned.

I will put this group of "Human Computers" up against ANY intelligence from a computer.

Thanx "Gang" you have done it again!

Til next time.

Richie

[Cellarfunk]

So...is there a method to this madness?

RP, where does the criteria for the selections come from? Is this a spot play of sort that you have been following? I believe that the criteria for the last race at MNR was a little different than this time? I completly agree with the "group" style, also gives a little added confidence at the window. At least it did for me today!:)

Nice call

[RichieP]

So...is there a method to this madness?

RP, where does the criteria for the selections come from? Is this a spot play of sort that you have been following? I believe that the criteria for the last race at MNR was a little different than this time? I completly agree with the "group" style, also gives a little added confidence at the window. At least it did for me today!:)

Nice call

Hey "Funk",
The corrolaries come from:
1) Me. I have detailed models of 4 or 5 tracks. I work races a certain way all the time. I get the winner in my top 5 on avg 83% of the time.

2) A friend who uses the Sartin software. Also keeps detailed models. He works races almost completely DIFFERENT as far as line selection from me. He gets the winner in his top 5 on avg 87.5% of the time.

These corrolaries are AGE related. Nothing else. AGE related.

When I tell you we work races VERY differently as far as line selection, qualifying contenders etc I mean it.

ok when our models which were arrived at VERY differently agree in 3 -5 KEY areas thats my "trigger" to GO as far as posting up the race here.

I KNOW this **** will work. I can "feel" it Funk.

All I have to do is be patient til the corrolaries align, find a nice full field 2 days in advance and post the sucker here.

Once the "Gang" gets a hold of it well let's just say everyone sit back and watch the matrix. I KNOW there is mad intelligence and knowledge kinda lurking. Like you for example! ;)

But if I can find a vehicle to bring out the knowledge and FOCUS it we are gonna ROCK the ponies.

Make some sense now? There IS a method to the madness YES

Richie

[Cellarfunk]

Well then, keep putin' them up. It is worth the wait.

Let us know RP...

Willing and waiting:)

[jms62]

Great Job Rich !!! Doing something like this would be a wonderful value added feature on Club Pace and Cap....

[RichieP]

Great Job Rich !!! Doing something like this would be a wonderful value added feature on Club Pace and Cap....

Jim,
I am screwing up the things I said I would do there man. Honestly. I just cant find the time to contribute to that area like I said I was. I am sorry.

I am sorry. I mean well regardless of my attitude here sometimes.

Rich

[RichieP]

Notice how the individual is IGNORED here? Instead the GROUP intelligence is the only FOCUS.

Thank you so much EVERYONE that contributes to this.

Please in the future EVERYONE come in here. As long as you are sincere in what you post you HAVE helped.

The "Gang" here is VICIOUS and I love it! :D

Richie

[jms62]

Rich... Does this only work for Sprints ? If not check out AQU-6th today a 8 FR race.