Dear Joe:

I would really like to help with Aodds Gold Version 5 but I am not familiar with it. I do see some correlation between Aodds Gold 98 and Energy. However, I do not think that Aodds can be used instead of Energy. I look at Aodds as a contender/paceline selection process and Energy as a decision making process.

Gary

Gary, you are right on the money. AOdds is a excellent contender and paceline selector, however, Energy will tell the final story. Here is where you want to look for the correlations. It's all about the interpretation of the Energy factors and understanding what they mean.

As you may know, I've recently had some great success with both these programs.

Dear Partsnut:

I am thrilled to hear that you had some success with the programs. I find that they are very consistent for me. I have started attending handicapping contests this year and find that I almost always finish in the top 5-10%, sometimes better, using Aodds Gold 98 for contender and paceline selection and then sending the data to Energy II for decision making. This weekend I will be at Keeneland.

Gary

I understand what you are saying, but Aodds was written well after Energy by one of the creators of Energy, don't you think he might have used the knowledge gained form all his work with Energy when writing Aodds? It would be great to get Jimmy's view on this as I believe the power of Aodds lies in its ability to select contenders which is the very heart of the match-up.

In regards to the DOS & Windows version of Aodds it appears the readouts are the same. I think the only real difference is the Windows version can produce models, do you use this portion of the program? If so, just what is being modeled. This program is not for everyone but it clearly fits with my belief system & comfort level while providing me with a greater level of confidence when wagering, I don't know if it gets any better then that. Thanks again for all of your comments, I am still learning and need all the insight I can get.

JoeLong.

Hi Joe, I have both the dos and the windows versions of this. In fact I have the dos up now on my old laptop. Maybe I can help you on this one. There was an automolder with the 5.5 dos but I take it that you dont have it. If that is the case get out the paper (or spreadsheet) and try this. On the Aodds contender screen record the rankings for the top 5 in the pp+/aodds+/prc and the line score. Then go to the final handicapping screen and record the v/r /esr/lsr /tsr and finally the ls. Of course seperate all this by distance and surface for the track(s) that you are working. After doing ten to say 15 races with this you should notonly start beiing able to get the top 4 or five contenders but also look for the top 2 in each catagory.
As far as othe other programs go, back in the old days we we did this with t mation, exdc and all the old programs. I used to copy from the gold to quad rater.
Hope this helps Doug

Dear Joe:

There is no question in my mind that Aodds uses all or most of the concepts from Energy. I think Aodds is brilliant in many regards, especially projecting the time of the race. I find the projected pace times to be very accurate in most cases and I rarely change the projected times. I use the past performance section of Aodds Gold 98 exclusively for my paceline selection. I change the selected paceline probably about 20% of the time. I think Aodds Gold 98 uses Matchup concepts to the max. Even has all of the tandem races identified.

However, I do not think that Aodds necessarily replaces Energy. I know that I can usually determine what Energy will say from an analysis of the Aodds screens, such as velocity. I always have Energy up and running at the same time as Aodds. However, I frequently know what Energy will say from looking at the Aodds screens. I usually go to Energy to double check.

Gary

Dear Joe and Dugout:

I do model every race automatically in Aodds. There is no question that the virtual paceline almost always has the highest percentage of winners in the top 5 out of all the screens. That may be the most consistent single screen when compared to any other screen of all racing computer programs.

Gary

Have any of you applied what you see in A Odds to any of the newer programs?If so what approach would you take in doing so lets say using Val3 as an example.

Jeff, interesting question. I know Aodds Gold also has the ability to save pacelines selected in Quad-Rater format as well as Energy and Thoromation.

I was wondering if anyone has tried saving pacelines in the Quad-Rater format and try to load them in VALIDATOR manual entry as an example. This doesn't really answer your question, but was just curious about that aspect. As far as trying to match numbers from different programs I really don't know for sure. I prefer to let programs stand on their own merits, but of course someone else may be able to see correlations between the 2 that I can't.

Morning Gary, Interesting about the virtual screen, the gent who was the beta tester for randy told me the same thing. Sounds like a corrolary to me:)

Best, Doug