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emilio840 10-16-2006 02:34 AM

The Practice Race
 
Running styles:
#1 S
#2 S
#3 S
#4 P
#5 E
#6 E
#7 S
#8 S

The Tandems are: 2,3, 8 Poco Bueno
2,3, Criminal Mind
2,6 Seeking the show
3,6 Esclarecido

The 1ST call Projeceted Pace is 47.3

The way I see the race is that 6 should take the lead and wire the field. Because in his last race he ran head and head for the first two calls at a 47.1 and he still managed to get 2nd. The #5 can not do better than a 47.3

The only two horses that I am afraid of is the #2 horse because he beat the 6 in the tandem race. But, the #6 did not get the lead in that race.

The other horse I am afraid of is that Sprinter the #7 horse. He looks to be the fastest horse in here, But his last 4 races were REALLY BAD.

Turbulator 10-16-2006 03:29 AM

I like the 1 and the 8.

admin 10-16-2006 04:43 AM

where the streets have no names
 
Hi Jim and Rich

here is my attempt at this practice race

for Running styles
1. NF= No Form Sprinter
2. SUS
3. NF
4. SUS
5. Early
6. Early
7. NF
8. Sus

For first call Proj time= 47.4 or 1 (its hard to see the numbers on my screen shot)

For tandems horse 3 and horse 6 but its hard without the names
to be sure

I see the 5 and 6 as early but not too good
I would enter them into my program
then match up the best of the four Sus runners
and bet the best two

Bill

gl45 10-16-2006 07:25 AM

Sustain 4 Horses 1-2-3-4
Presser 1 Horse 8
E/P 1 Horse 5
Early 1 Horse 6

Poco Bueno tandem 2-3-8 keep 8
Escalerecido tandem 3-6 keep 6
All the horses kind of sucks

Contenders 5-6-8

Projected time 47.1 113

#5 line3
time 47.4 113
pos 1 1

#6 line1
time 47.1 113
pos 1 1

#8 line3
time 47.3 113.2
pos 6 3

If we use units of energy we have
#6 on the lead at 1st.call
#5 4 BL Behind
#8 8 BL behind

#6 on the lead at 2nd. call
#5 4 BL behind
#8 7 BL behind

the rest of the field will suck air
Pino

VoodooFan 10-16-2006 12:58 PM

  1. Here' s my shot at the race
  2. 1)-sustained
  3. 2)-sustained
  4. 3)-sustained
  5. 4)-sustained
  6. 5)-early and early presser
  7. 6)-early-need-to-lead
  8. 7)-early and early presser
  9. 8)-sustained
  10. out the gate should be a 23.4
  11. looking at the #5's performance at a 48.2, the #6 can run slower
  12. The Esclarecido tandem is faster than Poco Tandem- the #6 is the best in this tandem
  13. The Seeking the Show tandem, the #2 did the best, coupled with his last good sprint at a fast pace
  14. The #5 horse likes either go wire-to-wire or press and take the lead at the 2nd call. His recent performance leaves me to believe he will be 2nd, but will not give the#6 horse sufficiant pressure or head him
  15. The #6 horse will not be pressed to run as fast as he did in his last race.
  16. I think the race is going to run Early(#6)-with the #2 and #8 horse's in the money

RichieP 10-16-2006 07:04 PM

Result
 
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Here is the result chart of the race.

Looking at the # 7 he appears to have changed his running style in last 4 races.

the pace of race fractions on the # 6 last race
23.0 - 47.1 - 113.0

comparing the earlies ( #6 last line with # 5 line 3)

the # 6 has a FIVE lenght lead over the 5 at first fraction 23 compared to 24
the # 6 has an ADDITIONAL 3 lenght lead at the 1c - 47.1 compared to 47.4

that is EIGHT lenghts - a CRUSH in favor of the 6

On top of this the 6 also has stored EXTRA units of energy because of the "HEADING" at the 1c and 2c. Talk about gilding the lilly:)

at this point the race is OVER and a sauntering to the betting window is called for.

EIGHT lenght edge over the ONLY other early PLUS extra units of stored energy because of the heading that happened at 1c and 2c

How fast can you say " SPOT PLAY EARLY" :)

Result chart shows the CRUSH clearly

"Take these all day long Rich. All day long." - "The Hat"

Turbulator 10-16-2006 08:30 PM

Quote:

EIGHT lenght edge over the ONLY other early PLUS extra units of stored energy because of the heading that happened at 1c and 2c

How fast can you say " SPOT PLAY EARLY"

Result chart shows the CRUSH clearly

"Take these all day long Rich. All day long." - "The Hat"
I have to admit I completely missed this, but the example and explanation points me to the errors of my ways.

Thanks, Richie, much appreciated.

RichieP 10-16-2006 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbulator (Post 12710)
I have to admit I completely missed this, but the example and explanation points me to the errors of my ways.

Thanks, Richie, much appreciated.

Steve
it's cool. I miss **** too.

One of the things I can tell you to help picking things like this up is FOCUS on the LEFT side of the running line. While most look to the right of the running line ( finish, speed rating, track variant, adjusted times etc etc) the matchup JIM'S way looks LEFT for it's hidden power.

1) Break
2) 1st fraction in routes
3) 1c
4) 2c
5) running styles based on 1c POSITION
6) Understanding that a gain or loss of POSITIONS involves units of ENERGY

Of this I am CERTAIN ok?
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These last 2 races involve early PATTERNS on very STRONG horses. I can not tell you how important it is to get these races in your "HEAD" ok? I am serious.

**Tip** - Handicap every race the SAME way. Whether a 4.5f DIRT race at CT to an 11f TURF race at Belmont. Work every race the SAME way.

Do they always win? We know the answer is no.

However I have never had a game plan so CLEAR in my mind. This comes from working hundreds of races with Jim and seeig him do the same process regardless of distace or surface.

Richie

dugoutgold 10-16-2006 10:11 PM

Rich, well i blew that one. Have a question though, I looked at the 6s 1st line but..it was on the slop. So I take it yourself and Jim use these lines???

thanks for the race, it was fun! Doug ps: Wondering how do you and Jim feel about using offtrack lines??

RichieP 10-17-2006 08:16 AM

[QUOTE=dugoutgold;12713]Rich, well i blew that one. Have a question though, I looked at the 6s 1st line but..it was on the slop. So I take it yourself and Jim use these lines???
QUOTE]

Hi Doug,
I use ALL the lines in the pp's so YES I use off track lines.

BTW you didn't blow" the race. We just learned something! That's EXACTLY what Jim tells me when I miss so I "pass it down the line" to you!

We learned something :)

stay cool
Rich


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