For those of you that play P3's, the payouts there are generally excessive due to the large fields and the fact that EVD has its fair share of longshot winners. Since they are rolling P3's the pools are a bit small, but its not unusual to clean out the whole pool with a longshot. I sat on 2 such tickets there last season, when neither 3rd leg "cleaner" materialized.

i will be trying evangeline also in earnest guys. best of luck to everyone.

Jim G,Shenandoah Downs now that brings a warm feeling to my heart.I used to love to play those Big Exacta's up there.The slots have ruined CT for me I really did well up there before.Jeff

Jeff,

Ah, the 3 1/2 furlong ShD sprint races. Those were the days. I remember the Big Exacta, Twin Double, and of course the last race was a Jackpot race. We now commonly call a Jackpot race a Superfecta. Made me sad when they razed the property. They say you can't live in the past, but sometimes I would like to.

Jim

JimG says:

"I mostly play higher class tracks now, looking for price horses in big fields, however, I grew up playing small tracks Charles Town and Shenandoah Downs, so I can probably adapt."

You are probably right in staying with the larger handles.

Tonight for my first time at Penn. I was constantly hit by the fluctuating odds.

I do waggercapping and on one of my winners I got paid $5.60. Three minutes to post I was sure he was 8/1. Later on in the 7th #10 Bobs Valentine was a horse that I liked a lot, but since he was 5th in BL/BL and only 4/1 several minutes to post,I bet two higher ranked horses with better odds. Bobs Valentine went wire to wire and paid $24.20.
I believe this happens when the handle is small.
I am going to look at Evangeline Downs and if the same type of thing is happening there its back to the larger mutual's for me.

I'm not a gambler, I don't do this for the thrill of it.
I'm in to make a steady profit.
I don't need to go 10-15 races to make a score.
I'm doing alright with my puny but steady $1.35 ROI

Froggy

There's nothing wrong with a 1.35 ROI and everyone needs to work the tracks they are most comfortable with. The odds do fluctuate more at the smaller tracks, but at many of them you can get some guidance from the morning line.

The only horse I found paying $5.60 at Penn tonight was "I Thee Wed" in the 6th, and it was the 5/2 morning line favorite. You are simply not going to get a morning line favorite at 8/1 unless it shows up in the post parade with a missing leg.

Bob's Valentine was 10/1 morning line and went off just over 11/1. I didn't have the card, but you mentioned he was your 5th choice. It sounds like somebody put a big bet on him at some time. I always watch the pool as well as the odds, so I can tell how much it takes to move the line.

I used to place my bets at 2 min, to post and wasn't usually hit too badly by late odds changes, but they do change, at almost all tracks and more so at the smaller ones. I've found that learning which morning line oddsmakers I can truat has made life much less stressful. Many of them are pretty good and you soon learn to spot the ones that aren't

Smaller tracks can be very profitable. They just require a little change in perspective.

Dick...

Dick,

I don't have broadband, I only have dial up and it seems to take forever to get two bets down so I try to place them three min to post .

I'm not certain that I was looking at the right odds with "I Thee Wed".
The odds on the #4 were 4/1 (10/1 morn line) and the #9 were at one point 9/5 (8/1 morn line). There was a lot of ups and downs before the race went off and its possible that I got confused.

So when "Bobs Valentine" came up I did do a double check.

At Evangeline Downs I am going to try 2 min to post and see how it works.

Thanks for your input,

Froggy

If you can get broadband, I strongly recommend it if you like to play and watch races from home. For me, it is not an option but a necessity.

Jim

JimG,

What about DSL?

Will it do the job?

Froggy

Absolutely, not only will you have less problems betting you will be able to view races with a much bigger and better picture than dial-up.

Jim