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Nice hit, don't you love when you get one like that?

Now fold your money, put it in your pocket and don't get spend crazy.

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Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz (Post 72605)

Patrick,

So, let's see if I can get this right...

You contact me for help: Why can't I win?

I give you over an hour of my time - on top of the many hours I have given you in the past - trying to help you understand what you need to do.

I try to coach you, and your response is to post our private conversations publicly?

*** portion of a private conversation removed

I was not trying to be nasty. I have seen this before. Winning players simply find a way to win. You find a way to lose. I tried to offer you ideas for changing that. Remember, you asked me to do that.

You have set the bar very low here, Patrick.

I watch you post your picks on the Skype group. Other people, using the same tools, post the same races. They win, you lose. Even here. You are getting around 55% winners or so in 4+ horses per race. If NewPace was really that bad, how do you explain the fact that others on this same board (including Mike A, who is apparently not a big fan of mine) are posting far better results?

I will make it simple for you. Mr. Kane, please do not attempt to contact me for help ever again.

Dave Schwartz

Ted you leave this up but take mine down, come on Sir, fair is fair...

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Originally Posted by clore1030 (Post 72634)

Nice hit, don't you love when you get one like that?

Now fold your money, put it in your pocket and don't get spend crazy.

Thanks yes it takes awhile but when they come you are right, I only hit it with small win/place wager on the 3 and 10 and the 1.00 exacta box 3, 8 10, and I missed a show on the 4 horse, oh well.

patrick

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Originally Posted by pktruckdriver (Post 72635)

Ted you leave this up but take mine down, come on Sir, fair is fair...

Sigh ... Dave's reply to your opening post stands. However, I edited his post to remove his citation of his own private words, which you first published.

This conversation is over - we all know what to do.

Congratulations on your hit today Patrick!

Ted

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Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz (Post 72605)

Patrick,

If NewPace was really that bad, how do you explain the fact that others on this same board (including Mike A, who is apparently not a big fan of mine) are posting far better results?

Dave Schwartz

You talking about me??????

Take it down or I'll open fire!!!!

:D

Mike

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Originally Posted by mikesal57 (Post 72643)

You talking about me??????

Take it down or I'll open fire!!!!

:D

Mike

thanks Mike I needed that

patrick

Well here goes the result again, and they are what they are

race 1 lost

Race 3 7.00 win

race 4 25.20 win

race 5 20.80 win

race 6 4.40 win exacta 1.00 8.00

race 7 lost

race 8 lost

race 9 5.70 win exacta 12.60

race 10 lost

race 11 lost

total wins 63.10 - 80.00 wagered = a loss of 16.90 again

exacta's 120 bet - 20.60 won = 99.40 lost ouch

I will use ROI's if we get close enough to use them, and please anyone see where I am not posting this correctly let me know, as i am putting up what the program is putting out, nothing more.

Again this is Saratoga with Newpace, which it seems does not do too well here, and it is tough on me too, but today I got one over ,( actually RDSS2.0 did ), on it, enough to last for awhile, as someone says tuck it away for a rainy day

I love this place , my job and this program, what more can a guy want, best of luck all, if you come this year maybe I will see you maybe I will not, either way I am happy here with my access to the track, life is good.

patrick

Just a note here... You are not supposed to bet ALL the contenders.

This is an excert from another study done at Del mar, thou it seems better than Saratoga on the exacta's it still loses money. Now I am not evaluating the difference between VDC and Newpace, as was done here, maybe I should, as per my hit yesterday was from RDSS 2.0, not Newpace, something which I think needs some major tweaking before playing for real money, and having lost real money using newpace , I have a right to say so.

patrick

New pace hit 50% exactas, a return of 460.95 less 600.00 bet for a net loss of 139.05
Top 4 vdc hit 34 or 68% for a return of 891.60 less 600.00 bet for a net profit of 291.60
Boxing the top 3 vdc hit 52% for 621.60 return less 300.00 bet for a net profit of 321.60.

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Originally Posted by pktruckdriver (Post 72667)

Now I am not evaluating the difference between VDC and Newpace, as was done here, maybe I should, as per my hit yesterday was from RDSS 2.0, not Newpace, something which I think needs some major tweaking before playing for real money, and having lost real money using newpace , I have a right to say so.

As an outsider, let me say that putting your money on the line without an on-paper trial period wasn't the best decision you ever made.

I'm in your situation, I'm on a real limited income so even if I put down 77 bucks for Dave's program - and I won't even do that until RDSS 2.0 is released - I would allow several weeks of testing. If I'm right, there is a 45-day trial period with a no questions ask refund?

So, I'd give it four weeks of testing and two weeks of real application. With the three days left, I have enough time to consider a refund.

Actually, even if I were disappointed at the results, I'd be honing a way to make it work for me. RDSS works for me but only because I've set so many "no play" rules before myself that I don't even average a wager a day. I've only made eight wagers while Saratoga has been open, only two have been successful but I'm slightly ahead.

At least toss out the exactas if you insist on putting down dollars. Specialize in one thing and master it before you go for exotics.