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Bill V. 08-15-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dlivery (Post 92108)
Bill

Very nicely done.

Lawrence

I'm glad it was helpful
and you liked it

Bill, aka
William Lawrence Simon Varone

Lt1 08-15-2013 08:31 PM

Thanks Bill for sharing your insights. Well done.

Tim

dirty moose 08-15-2013 11:52 PM

Great video Bill. I had asked for one last week and BOOM you deliver. Pretty good stuff in there. On to Jim's video next...

Latekick 08-17-2013 08:31 PM

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hey Bill, thanks for the videos and I think this race at Del Mar may be another example of using the segments screen along with running styles.
Race 7 at Del Mar today.
Heres the segments


The 1 and 7 are both E horses that wont get the lead. In this situation would you take the horses that are saving the MOST energy early?
What would you take from this segments screen?

Bill V. 08-17-2013 09:28 PM

late
 
Sorry I had to leave Del Mar I just got home but can't handicap. I'm going out tonight.

Just looking at your screen real quick the first thing I would do is throw out the
20/1 ML horse.
But remember this is because they hardly ever win and I only care about the winner.

I will look closer when I get home tonight

GS
Bill

Bill V. 08-18-2013 04:11 AM

unable to do it
 
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Hello Late Kick

I am sorry I can not do what you ask, I had to put my feelings and reasons
this short video, I apologize, if I got angry at the end.
My emotions get the best of me, Its fantastic that your looking to get better
and your willing to listen and learn. I am not condemning your pace line ability.
I just need to use representative pace lines if I am to analyze this or any race.

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Bill V. 08-18-2013 04:13 AM

result chart
 
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Del Mar race 7
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dlivery 08-18-2013 01:43 PM

Look For A Corollary
 
In viewing a horses form cycle we use this in the read outs as a tool of many tools in our RDSS tool box.

Looking at the form cycle we can see the horses where there best level and not so good by using the simple + and (+) lines. It sure helps to start right of with basic approach.

Thanks again for your view on as we continue down this road and others take the long way home to get the winner.

It's hard enough as it is to get the winner why make it more difficult.

About the title Look for a Corollary this little nugget of info is right out of the Red Manual.

Bill Thanks again for you guidance and help.

Lawrence

Segwin 08-18-2013 06:19 PM

Thanks!
 
Hi Bill:

Just got back from a nice week vacation with the wife. Always goes by so fast.

Okay - down to business. First off thank you for taking the time to make the video. For all those that do this it really helps the rest of us. I'd contribute however I'm not at that stage yet - perhaps in a few more months, years or decades lol.

In the video you have the #6 as sustained however, to me, it looked like more of a presser (late in the early stages and closing the gap in the stretch). I'd like to hear why you picked S for this horse.

Thanks again for the video.

Segwin 08-18-2013 07:24 PM

I was eating dinner I was thinking about this video and why you picked S for that horse. Correct me if I'm wrong Bill but as I visioned the running style in my head the horse was gaining position because the others were spent and decelerating therefore this horse was making up ground as others were losing it (?).

Is it the red manual that defines running styles and how to assign them?


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