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20towin 02-16-2007 02:27 AM

RichieP.

I enjoy reading your posts they are very informative, the stories with Jim Bradshaw bring back the FUN memories of the early days of going to the track picking with the form.


Question.

What does the Hat do with Horses who have MULTIPLE running stlyes? Every once in a while I will see a horse who wins wire to wire, off the early 2 or 3 lenghts and win and also close to almost win when back 5 or 6 lenghts.

The Yank 02-16-2007 07:18 AM

Most Frustrating Thing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 15629)
Great call on the winning 8 Yank. He obliviated the field.

Regarding the FTS question and it's a great one.

Jim taught me to bet ANY and EVERY race where I can find THE HORSE that I KNOW is gonna win. Even if the horse loses I still KNOW the horse is gonna win. Follow? Those races are the ones he wants me to FOCUS on and SPOT PLAY. FTS means NOTHING to him.

Excellent question. Seriously

Rich- Thanks for the positive reinforcement!

Even though I got this race, I was still concerned that a fast third fraction of another horse might catch my horse. This morning I looked at the results chart and saw my winner did not win wire to wire (although he did crush the field going away). As such, the race wasn't run the way I thought it would be. These kinds of 'lingering doubts' make it really difficult for me to "know I'm going to win". JUST BEING TOTALLY HONEST WITH YOU HERE.

I really am now into the Match Up concept but, the more I learn, the more I realize I don't yet know.

With this background, here is the MOST FRUSTRATING THING:

(1) I cannot tell the difference between a race where Match Up correctly would have called the winner and I missed it (but the Hat/you would have got it with Match-Up) versus where I missed the winner and the ideal application of Match Up would have also missed the winner. Since the Hat/you are obviously more adept at the Match-Up, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between these two cases. Statisticans might refer to this as Type I error.

(2) There is also the reverse case (a 'false positive' - what statistians might refer to as Type II error) where I got the correct horse by incorrect application of the Match-Up and the Hat/you would not have called that horse (i.e., I got the horse by 'dumb luck'). It's almost as important for me to know that I am misunderstanding these kinds of races as well as my type
(1) errors.

RichieP 02-16-2007 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Yank (Post 15643)
Rich- Thanks for the positive reinforcement!

Even though I got this race, I was still concerned that a fast third fraction of another horse might catch my horse. This morning I looked at the results chart and saw my winner did not win wire to wire (although he did crush the field going away). As such, the race wasn't run the way I thought it would be. These kinds of 'lingering doubts' make it really difficult for me to "know I'm going to win". JUST BEING TOTALLY HONEST WITH YOU HERE.

I really am now into the Match Up concept but, the more I learn, the more I realize I don't yet know.

With this background, here is the MOST FRUSTRATING THING:

(1) I cannot tell the difference between a race where Match Up correctly would have called the winner and I missed it (but the Hat/you would have got it with Match-Up) versus where I missed the winner and the ideal application of Match Up would have also missed the winner. Since the Hat/you are obviously more adept at the Match-Up, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between these two cases. Statisticans might refer to this as Type I error.

(2) There is also the reverse case (a 'false positive' - what statistians might refer to as Type II error) where I got the correct horse by incorrect application of the Match-Up and the Hat/you would not have called that horse (i.e., I got the horse by 'dumb luck'). It's almost as important for me to know that I am misunderstanding these kinds of races as well as my type
(1) errors.

Yank,
The Hat is in a league of his own when it comes to matching.

WE can be better matchers IMO by:

1) Downloading Jim's 5 step approach that he made for us and is posted here
http://scott.asmallorange.com/~binde...ead.php?t=1158.
This is the foundation for EVERYTHING that comes after.

2) Getting the new book "Matchup2 with the 5 step approach" by The Hat. Jim spent MONTHS packing the book with:
a) current races
b) analysis
c) current races
d) analysis

This in addition to working and practicing the 5 step appproach posted here will after a couple of MONTHS of FOCUSED practice begin to etch certain PATTERNS of successful matched races in YOUR mind based on things YOU have done when looking at the pp's Yank.

My STRONGEST suggestions to you regarding working races are these:
1) When you work a race and WIN it SAVE the race in some way (I do things on a laptop so a "screencapture" saved to my documents works). After you have saved up at least a few of these go and look for PATTERNS OF SUCCESS there ok?

2) NEVER take a race you lost and go back and MAKE the winner come up.You will find yourself up the creek without a paddle QUICKLY.

This applies to ANYONE using ONLY raw pp's to match horses.That is all I can speak on with certainty.

PRACTICE AND LOOK BACK ONLY ON WINNING RACES.

Richie

RichieP 02-16-2007 08:30 AM

Got this email last night
 
I received this email from a member last night. I was so taken by it I called Jim and forwarded it to him to see.

I have the author's permission to post it here after removing some personal stuff.
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Been following your posts on the matchup. Some real gold to be had there. The real trick for me is to change my thinking. Easy to say but hard to do.The thread about not going over the race makes perfect sense to me and I'll tell you why.

Years ago I took some psychology classes and in psy221 a lot of time was spent on the subconscious mind. Turns out the subconscious mind remembers everything you see,hear,taste,feel,everything you experence on any level good or bad or indifferent is recorded in the subconscious. The subconscious mind works 24-7 never tales a moment off. One of the problems is even though the information is stored sometimes the conscious mind cannot access it. Thats the rub. But even worse than that the subconscious is constantly trying to influence the conscious.

Now when it comes to horse racing can you imagine how screwed up the subconscious mind must be. Over the years it has recorded your every thought on the subject. Now one of the beauties of the subcon scious is that it tends to work on the most recent thought first , this can be used to your advantage because if its feed thoughts that are productive and the information is repeated over and over it accepts this and will work from that point in time.

Everytime something counterproductive is thought and acted on the subconscious will mark that point in time and return there first before moving on to what you really want it to do. When you look to see what went wrong in a race thats where all the subconscious effort will be applied. Guess what when you go to do a new race it wants to start looking for what went wrong in the last race. Now that is truly counterproductive.

The subconscious mind can be trained but care must be taken on the conscious level to only give it information that will help not hinder. Hope all this makes sense. It was not my intention to get into all this , but after the post on not going over the lost races and seeing that a lot of people seem to think this is ok , I guess I just had to get this off my chest.
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RichieP 02-16-2007 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 20towin (Post 15635)
RichieP.
Question.

What does the Hat do with Horses who have MULTIPLE running stlyes? Every once in a while I will see a horse who wins wire to wire, off the early 2 or 3 lenghts and win and also close to almost win when back 5 or 6 lenghts.

"20"

He LOVES these types when they are FAST.

Lots of times he can "see" them winning under different scenarios.

Richie

The Yank 02-16-2007 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 15644)
Yank,
The Hat is in a league of his own when it comes to matching.

WE can be better matchers IMO by:

1) Downloading Jim's 5 step approach that he made for us and is posted here
http://scott.asmallorange.com/~binde...ead.php?t=1158.
This is the foundation for EVERYTHING that comes after.

2) Getting the new book "Matchup2 with the 5 step approach" by The Hat. Jim spent MONTHS packing the book with:
a) current races
b) analysis
c) current races
d) analysis

This in addition to working and practicing the 5 step appproach posted here will after a couple of MONTHS of FOCUSED practice begin to etch certain PATTERNS of successful matched races in YOUR mind based on things YOU have done when looking at the pp's Yank.

My STRONGEST suggestions to you regarding working races are these:
1) When you work a race and WIN it SAVE the race in some way (I do things on a laptop so a "screencapture" saved to my documents works). After you have saved up at least a few of these go and look for PATTERNS OF SUCCESS there ok?

2) NEVER take a race you lost and go back and MAKE the winner come up.You will find yourself up the creek without a paddle QUICKLY.

This applies to ANYONE using ONLY raw pp's to match horses.That is all I can speak on with certainty.

PRACTICE AND LOOK BACK ONLY ON WINNING RACES.

Richie

Rich:

Thanks for the advice- I will follow it dilligently

Cellarfunk 02-16-2007 10:28 AM

Viewing PP lines
 
Richie-

Been working real hard here and following along with everything you've posted so far. Also been re-reading the new Matchup book daily. Some races just seem to be a piece of cake...others just get me down, guess thats just the nature of the game. I know you have been posting screenshots with RDSS that show all your "contenders" lines together. I don't have RDSS yet, but am seeking someway to be able to view all the selected lines together. Just makes it easier to compare position, times, BL etc... I'm a Validator man and obviously the screen that lists all lines together uses adjusted data. It works sometimes, but not enough of the time. Using printed PP just seems to loose too much in the "shuffle" of sheets. Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks for all your efforts, this is absolutely amazing.

Thanks again.

RichieP 02-16-2007 11:33 AM

The 6th Key - VOODOO
 
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"Rich remember the race starts when the gate pops. NOT the 2nd call ok? The race starts when the gate pops." - Jim Bradshaw

"Rich I NEVER look at one line for a horse" - Jim Bradshaw

"Rich I know the horse is FAST. Once I know this I take bits of this line and bits of another line,combine them in my mind and make him the winner" - Jim Bradshaw

"Rich remember the race starts when the gate pops. NOT the 2nd call ok? The race starts when the gate pops." - Jim Bradshaw

"I saw Jimmy hit SEVENTEEN winners in a row Richie. He was on fire." - Pirco Charter Member Bob Cochran in a phone call conversation with me 4 days ago.

"Rich I NEVER look at one line for a horse." - Jim Bradshaw

"When I took over the track team Rich I noticed the girl's biggest problem was they were going out too fast too EARLY." - Jim Bradshaw talking about coaching his track team

"I made the statement that for every fifth of a second a horse runs too fast early he will lose TWO fifths of a second at the end.Folks thought I was crazy til Huey Mahl got up and proved my staement correct" - Jim Bradshaw

"Jimmy how the heck did you get that horse? We don't see him at all" - The Ragozin sheet guys after Hat had given them a nice winner after a seminar.

"Whoa. Hold on Jim. You LOVED this horse? Are you serious? This is one of the first guys I threw out of the race. HOW in the world can you see this horse winning?" - RichieP after being exposed for the FIRST time to Jim's Voodoo- October 2006

""Rich remember the race starts when the gate pops. NOT the 2nd call ok? The race starts when the gate pops." - Jim Bradshaw
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What Jim does has been given all kinds of names with the term "Voodoo" having become by far the most popular.

I don't pretend to know all of what he "sees" in a race.

Over the past 4 months since being "exposed" to IT however I HAVE noticed PATTERNS that seem to occur over and over and over with him and this thing I have come to call FUNNY STUFF. Here are the PATTERNS.

VOODOO PATTERNS:
1) He NEVER uses one paceline to evaluate a horse. NEVER

2) He ONLY does weird stuff with FAST horses.

3) He is SUPER FOCUSED on the FIRST CALL in EVERY RACE.

4) With EARLY horses he ALWAYS considers and evaluates the lead it needs to win ( it's comfort zone) at the FIRST CALL. When he feels a horse will NOT get that comfort TODAY he throws the horse out so fast it is ridiculous. Often these horses are ones who when looking at final time and the like come up very strong and are strongly bet at the windows. He could care less. The horse is THROWN OUT IMMEDIATELY. Then the race gets RE-EVALUATED as if that horse does NOT exist.

5) Using the fastest pace from the last race of ALL the horses (REGARDLESS of track,distance and even surface): When he sees that this horse has battled through 1c and 2c or made positional and /or beaten lenght gain gain he opens the pp's up ALL the way and will create a "virtual line" in his head combining bits of one race with bits of another. If THAT horse is FAST after doing this AND it also fits the winning RACE SHAPE (early or other than early) THIS horse is his bet.

When I tell you THESE horses are the biggest BOMB winners I have seen since matching horses I am telling the truth. $30.00-$40.00-$50.00-$60.00 etc etc.

Why do they often pay so big? Because he does NOT carry that last race through to the finish. If the horse does what is posted above through the 1c-2c he could care less if the horse was beaten 20 lenghts at the end of the race. What DOES count in his mind is the FIGHTING and or positional gain dealing with ONLY the 1c and 2c. Once he has that in his mind he goes wild with the pp's and creates a virtual FAST line for the horse.

6) He NEVER uses one paceline to evaluate a horse. NEVER

7) He is SUPER FOCUSED on the FIRST CALL in EVERY RACE

8) He ONLY does weird stuff with FAST horses.
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Here is a race with 2 EARLY horses ok? Today is a route race. Whom would you pick as the best early?

#2:
1c - 46.2 - on the lead by 1 lenght
2c - 110.4

#5:
1c - 46.2- on the lead by 1/2 a lenght
2c - 110.0

What the public and almost everyone would say is the #5 is the best right?

How could anything pick the #2 over the #5? Especially after reading everything written about checking the lenghts lead needed at the first call by earlies to win.

Well VOODOO gets the #2 winning the race! Yup that's right. wanna know how and why?

Because the REAL answer to the above example is: YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO EVALUATE THE 2 HORSES.

What is missing? wanna guess?

The thing missing is the FIRST FRACTION PACE OF RACES. Yes. the info that is furthest LEFT on the past performance line. You know the place where NOBODY looks.

*** Important***
VOODOO always looks LEFT on the past performance line ok? ALWAYS.

Now let's rexamine the 2 horses and their Power lines inserting the FIRST FRACTION pace of race please.

Then let's make a place at the table because VOODOO will be joining us ok? :eek:

#2:
1fr - 22.4
1c - 46.2 - on lead by 1 lenght
2c - 110.4

#5:
1fr - 23.1
1c - 46.2 - on lead by 1/2 lenght

STOP right NOW.

2 Early horses right? When the gate OPENS the 2 has a TWO lenght lead over the 5 with a 22.4 vs a 23.1. The 5 is NO longer early. He is BEHIND and CHASING the TRUE BOSS of TODAYS MATCHUP who is the #2.

This is Voodoo.

Also with a 2 lenght lead early over the#5 the #2 DOES have his 1 lenght lead needed to WIN running early. Go slow and you will see it. It just does NOT show up in the pp's at the 1st call man.

This is Voodoo.

The "Voodoo" mind however sees the advantage because the FIRST FRACTION tells the story and NOW the #5 is eliminated IMMEDIATELY from the race. Now the #2 becomes a LONE EARLY and will win the race easily because HE controls the pace EFFORTLESSLY.

This is Voodoo

You just picked a horse that by looking at the pp's TRADITIONALLY is FOUR fifths of a second SLOWER than another early at the second call. That is why Jim Bradshaw's MATCHUP has NOTHING to do with the 2c ok? THIS race along with many others has already been decided LONG before. In a place where NOBODY looks for key info.

This is Voodoo. Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw's Voodoo.

The # 2 is the winner - $16.60

Here is a screenshot of the 2 and 5. WHY include that sprint line for the #2? Because it shows a FIGHT to get the lead in a 21.4 that is why. Who the hell is gonna be able to get AHEAD of this horse early in TODAYS race? Certainly NOT the #5 which you will see for yourself after looking at the race on Pdf.

This is Voodoo. Jim Bradshaw's Voodoo.

First the screenshot then I will attach the PDF of the whole race next so you can examine it at your leisure ok?

RichieP 02-16-2007 11:40 AM

The 6th Key - VOODOO
 
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(Cont)

Here is the Pdf for the race worked.

This finishes up this thread for me.

I just want to let folks know that the Matchup is both VERY hard work and at the same time VERY rewarding ok?

I want to thank the Hat for taking the time he has to teach me HIS way.

I also have to thank him for letting me do this thread from the heart without wanting to see what I wrote ahead of time. It was both cool and yet SCARY at the same time because I had no security blanket in the form of Jim checking everything ahead of time.

Thanx also to everyone who has written and posted up. I hoped that I could pass along what Jim has taught me so far to YOU. That is why this all went down

All the best and good matching!
Richie Pizzicara

Bill Lyster 02-16-2007 12:13 PM

Other signs of fighting
 
Richie:

Is it appropriate to ask if there are other signs of fighting, for horses who are not early or E/P or EP? What signs indicate the gumption of P, SP and S types of horses? Any there any examples available?

Thanks,

Bill

VoodooFan 02-16-2007 03:23 PM

Super Job
 
To say you did a super fantastic job is a severe understatement. Keep improving towards mastery of the MatchUp Rich. When you improve, we improve. These post should be dipped in Gold; remarkable job. The Doc and The Hat just got to be proud. As far as the MatchUp is concerned,by the way, which IS the reality of horseracing and winning, you're right there as a top charter teaching member with The Doc and The Hat. I got a lot of Pirco stuff, including Brohamers, an without question, these post you made can stand tall and side by side with Pirco publications. The clarity you presented , if in a horserace with Pirco publishings, can win by a neck, as far as the MatchUp is concerned.
    1. As far as I know, if there's a better student of the MatchUp, including explaining it, I sure don't know who else is there.
  1. As you get better with the MatchUp, the track will already have a stack of IRS forms pre-printed with your personal information. Only the dollar amount will be blank. It better be a loooong blank. Best of luck.;) VoodooFan

20towin 02-16-2007 03:45 PM

If the 5 were a presser would then he be the bet? I always saw a horse like the # 5 as a horse with reserves of energy, that some of his late could be transfered to the early.
The idea that I am getting is that the 1rst fraction carries more weight than previous thought. It might be more than a 1 to 2 units of energy?

shoeless 02-16-2007 04:53 PM

Richie,Great stuff and many thanks for posting it.Jeff

VoodooFan 02-16-2007 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 15650)

VOODOO PATTERNS:
1) He NEVER uses one paceline to evaluate a horse. NEVER

2) He ONLY does weird stuff with FAST horses.

3) He is SUPER FOCUSED on the FIRST CALL in EVERY RACE.

4) With EARLY horses he ALWAYS considers and evaluates the lead it needs to win ( it's comfort zone) at the FIRST CALL. When he feels a horse will NOT get that comfort TODAY he throws the horse out so fast it is ridiculous. Often these horses are ones who when looking at final time and the like come up very strong and are strongly bet at the windows. He could care less. The horse is THROWN OUT IMMEDIATELY. Then the race gets RE-EVALUATED as if that horse does NOT exist.

5) Using the fastest pace from the last race of ALL the horses (REGARDLESS of track,distance and even surface): When he sees that this horse has battled through 1c and 2c or made positional and /or beaten lenght gain gain he opens the pp's up ALL the way and will create a "virtual line" in his head combining bits of one race with bits of another. If THAT horse is FAST after doing this AND it also fits the winning RACE SHAPE (early or other than early) THIS horse is his bet.

Hope in the future, you can cherry pick a race with ALL these 5 elements-especially 1) & 5). VoodooFan

emilio840 02-17-2007 03:34 AM

Hi Richie. That was GREAT POSTING

This kind of posting is FOOD FOR OUR MINDS.

THANK YOU
emilio

RichieP 02-17-2007 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cellarfunk (Post 15648)
Some races just seem to be a piece of cake...others just get me down, .

CFunk,

Keep WORKING races man ok? Just keep WORKING races.

Soon more races will seem to be cake.

Richie

RichieP 02-17-2007 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cellarfunk (Post 15648)
I know you have been posting screenshots with RDSS that show all your "contenders" lines together. I don't have RDSS yet, but am seeking someway to be able to view all the selected lines together. Just makes it easier to compare position, times, BL etc

The BEST thing to do at the BEGINNING is to use ONLY past performances.
Richie

tom 02-17-2007 04:19 PM

Great thread, Richie - very imformative.
Thanks!

dugoutgold 02-18-2007 11:58 PM

how funny , I did the same thing here as Jeff, LOL:) The 8 is NOT going to be in the "comfort zone" in this matchup. I think I might be catching on to this:)

Cheers, Doug

THE HAT 02-20-2007 10:20 AM

NEW MATCH UP GUY
The Hat

There is a new Match Up Guy, and his name is Richie Pizzicara. I have been working with Rich since May 2006 and he is getting better every day, because he listens and applies what he is taught. You may wonder why I picked Richie to teach the match up, but in reality I didn’t pick Rich, he picked me. Following is excerpts from the first email I received from him:

Hi Jim,

This is Richie from the web site. I want to learn the match up from you. I have tried and am failing miserably. maybe too much contamination involving t-t adjustments, variants etc etc.

I know you are probably very busy but I have to ask in case there is any chance you could help me learn it Jim. Life is too short to not go for things.
Jim can you teach me the Match up? I REALLY want to learn it.

Sincerely,

Richie Pizzicara
New Rochelle, N.Y.

After a few emails we talked on the phone. I decided he was sincere and I took on the task of teaching him the match up. I told Rich he must start with The Five Step Approach and asked him to post it on the web site. Richie worked with The Five Step Approach and we discussed each step, until he understood each step.

During the past eight months Rich has come a long way. His posts on the web site are advanced concepts
and should not be applied until The Five Step Approach is mastered. We have worded hundred of races
before the fact, and races I have won, or races Rich has won. We never go over a race that we lost.

Richie never second guesses, or asks "what if," but learns the concept I am teaching. This is one why he has learned and he is one of my best students. He is my pride and joy and best pal.

dugoutgold 02-20-2007 01:41 PM

hey Richie! just broke mu maiden here on the first at fg today with the 5 winning using all you have posted:)) Luv this!!!

doug

admin 02-20-2007 05:35 PM

The New Match Up Guy
 
Dear Jim
What a beautiful post ... I am very happy for Rich
I hope you remember when we walked around the park with Aspen
I told you how much I wish Richie were here. I love Richie
He is my best friend. I respect him and bust my rear so as not to disappoint him. Because he has given me so much of his time,over the years to ,
not just teach me but to guide me through many personal battles that cause me to sink into depression. This is a gift I could never put into word its value I respect his great ability to teach and to make his students WANT to win

I am very honored that you both give our group
so much

This is such a wonderful post
thank you

Bill

Jonathan Steele 02-20-2007 07:12 PM

Congratulations Ritchie!

Jon :D

20towin 02-20-2007 07:13 PM

Jim.

The Matchup2 is absolutely Great. It is a masterpiece, I have read it once and am planning on reading it over and over till the ink disapears.


Richies Posts were also great, I have read them twice, I pick up something new every time I read them.They leave me hungry for more, I feel that there is still a lot more depth to the Matchup yet to find.



Mike.

VoodooFan 02-21-2007 12:21 AM

Great teachers make Great teachers
 
Hope you keep pourin all the MatchUp RichieP can soak up. Thank You Mr. Bradshaw. VoodooFan

The Yank 02-21-2007 08:16 AM

Match Up
 
RichieP posts provide excellent insight. I have also been rereading them.

As a student of the Match Up, I feel that between the Hat and RichieP, I'm in very good hands- they both give very generously.

...back to study now...

socantra 02-21-2007 01:21 PM

Great thread Richie and a very nice letter from "The Hat". High praise indeed and it appears to be well deserved.

Thanks for sharing your insights and experiences and thank both of you for your input on Pace and Cap and for "The Match Up 2".

Its nice to see good things happen to good people.

Dick...

dugoutgold 02-21-2007 03:37 PM

Yesterday was my first "acid test" of my brain too see if I could put into practice what Richie has been posting here. At FG using ONLY single win bets the following occurred: Race 1 $6,00, Race 2 $ 4.60, Race 4 $15.00:) and lost race 5 ( no method would have gotten the winner in that one at least ours. I used my aodds gold sinple for the bris Hat pps and that was all, no computor readouts.......need I say more about what I think of this?:))))

partsnut 02-21-2007 06:00 PM

Ritchie has been an inspiration and teacher to all of us.
His dedication, persistence, encouragement and unselfish efforts should be appreciated and commended.

"Hats" off to Ritchie.

Hopefully, I will have the pleasure of meeting him in the near future.

RichieP 02-21-2007 06:20 PM

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Thanx everyone.

Listen EVERYTHING I showed and laid out is JIM ok? Not me but JIM.

I left it all at the door (ego, my "look" at stuff etc etc) when I had a chance to learn it from the beginning.

I also was offered the chance to learn someone else's version of the matchup. Someone supposedly better than Hat.Ummmm thanx but NO thanx.

1) Really FOCUS on learning the 5 step approach ONE step at a time.

2) Really FOCUS on WINNING RACE PATTERNS

3) Really FOCUS on the FIRST CALL (First FRACTION in ROUTES also).

4) Really ENJOY all the hard work! It is FUN isn't it?

Great work Doug!

Jim says I am good at the early stuff in the races(1sr call,fighters,matching earlies,etc).

He is NOW starting to show me PATTERNS of MIDDLE MOVE winning horses and RACE PATTERNS they do well in.

When I am more comfortable with them and have seen them much more I will post a couple of races up and show YOU what he showed ME. Shoot might be another "SPOT PLAY" situation! ;)

I am going to attach a screenshot of a race Jim showed me from Philly 3 days ago pertaining to this ok? The #6 is the $13.60 winner.


There IS a methodical PATTERN of TEACHING that Jim does. I "see" that now.

Richie

shoeless 02-21-2007 07:46 PM

Lil Bro,Thanks for all of the help to get me back using the racing form and using the match up.I hit my first 5 races but then I got a little cocky and not listening to you and use patience.I learned from that and will now keep on track.Jeff

VoodooFan 02-21-2007 08:08 PM

Yup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 15852)

Listen EVERYTHING I showed and laid out is JIM ok? Not me but JIM.

I left it all at the door (ego, my "look" at stuff etc etc) when I had a chance to learn it from the beginning.

1) Really FOCUS on learning the 5 step approach ONE step at a time.

2) Really FOCUS on WINNING RACE PATTERNS

3) Really FOCUS on the FIRST CALL (First FRACTION in ROUTES also).

4) Really ENJOY all the hard work! It is FUN isn't it?

Richie

  1. The above is the mantra of a "true title-holder" of "The MatchUp Guy", certified and authenticated by the MatchUp Master, Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw.
  2. Like the Star Wars-The PreQuel fans, who camped out in front of theatres 2-6 months before the premiere, we'll be waiting for the "new" spot play revelation.
  3. Any more light you can shed on overcoming common mistakes , "Little things" ,and obstacles preventing us from achieving the above #1) would be appreciated. "Never focusing on one line", like the router who's sprint line verified his route line, which showed 2nd by a head at 22.1, was a good one.
  4. Repeating over and over "We want to bet the horse that is closest to the lead positionally factoring in pace of race" and other lines like that got something to it. After reading it over and over, it became HYPNOTIC. Now, I can't forget it , even if I wanted to. When just casually thinking about the MatchUp, that phrase seems to linger in the mind , like a song you can't get out of your head. GOOD WORK.
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dugoutgold 02-22-2007 12:19 PM

i cant resist this:)) Raise surely gets the lead over Royal but......looses ground badly both in the 1st and 2d call, Vesak at first looks to slow except..when you see that the 2 Es are quiters and the 6 is gaining at both both beaten lengths and postition at the 2d call:))))
Too much fun huh!

20towin 02-22-2007 03:18 PM

Is there a way to print out a hard copy of these posts. Currently when I try it the longer width posts don't print the words on the far right. Its just easier on my eyes to read print outs vrs looking at the computer screen.

Thanks.

partsnut 02-22-2007 06:53 PM

Quote:

20towin : Is there a way to print out a hard copy of these posts. Currently when I try it the longer width posts don't print the words on the far right. Its just easier on my eyes to read print outs vrs looking at the computer screen.

Thanks.
You can use Adobe Acrobat and save the posts to a PDF file or The Microsoft Document Format.

You have to select each file and then you "print" them. When you print them, a dialog box will give you the print options. Check off selections.
You need to have a full working version of Acrobat or If you choose Microsoft,
the Microsoft Document Imaging Format should be one of your printer options.

Bill Lyster 02-22-2007 07:59 PM

another way that works for me is to right click the screen and hit print preview; then in the "shrink to fit" box play with the magnification until you can see the entire screen width and then print the pages or the entire post.

Bill

20towin 02-24-2007 07:17 PM

Thanks for the info.


Pace less races how does the match up handle this ? . I also see many races where a horse who only raced on the lead 1 time 8 races ago gets the lead.
Other than a horse who almost always gets the lead ,how do you determine the Pace setter? Is it the horse who gets the lead most often, or do you look at the velocity of the horses 1rst fraction ?

THE HAT 02-25-2007 09:55 AM

PACE-LESS RACE

The following is an example illustrating the process used
to project the pace in a pace-less race. Once we project the pace,
the horses will be matched against this pace to decide if they are
contenders.

Find the fastest race at today's distance and use the race as the
projected pace of today's race. Remember, we will not use the beaten
lengths to identify the projected pace.

All of the horses are matched to this pace. Horses that can't match
the pace are not contenders.

VoodooFan 02-25-2007 06:46 PM

Lot's of study material
 
Thanks for that post, Mr. Bradshaw, and another addition to the MatchUP 2 appendix/addendum/supplementary section in my newly created reference/special notes section at the back of the book.
  • Studying so much, The MatchUp 2 manual, The MatchUp manual (blue book), the post posted by Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw and RichieP, and sometimes the The red MatchUp manual....I think my eye's are bleeding..........
  • The MatchUp, so much study and practice involved. With the new MatchUp 2 manual and post by Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw and RichieP, studying has become a lot more fun.
  • The MatchUp is great, because you cannot blame anyone, or anything, not even the computer.
  • I like the MatchUp , cause with the MatchUp, you throw horses out, almost entire fields out .
  • I believe I heard Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw say on tape that virtually ALL races are spot plays to him. I could'nt envision that possibility until RichieP's post "ala", The Hat. Another reason to like the MatchUp:
      • "You MUST throw whole groups of horse's OUT of the race". - RichieP
      • "Yes, that's The Hat in action, man. Throw's whole chunk's of the field out IMMEDIATELY". - RichieP
  • Some of the spot plays we percieve so far:
    1. The Lone Early
    2. The Beaten Early
    3. The Lone Early Presser
    4. The Dominant Early among Early's
    5. Hidden Early
    6. The Lone Sustained or Late
    7. Lone Sprinter in Route 1st time/Dominant Sprinter in a Route
    8. A Presser or Sustained horse who got the lead in last race , and won't get the lead today plus faster than his 1st fraction lead.
    9. Tandem Pace of Race final time 1 second slower than projected pace, ELIMINATE entire Tandem (gets rid of lots of horse's).
    10. ELIMINATE entire fields of multiple matching Early's.
I look this list over, sometimes, BEFORE applying the 5 step process. Interesting results. And you mean there's MORE spot play's we don't know about........??????????..........wow........ VoodooFan

The Yank 02-25-2007 07:00 PM

I guess I'm losing my mind matching lines, but I don't see a race attached?

Maybe my browser has failed me?

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE HAT (Post 15967)
PACE-LESS RACE

The following is an example illustrating the process used
to project the pace in a pace-less race. Once we project the pace,
the horses will be matched against this pace to decide if they are
contenders.

Find the fastest race at today's distance and use the race as the
projected pace of today's race. Remember, we will not use the beaten
lengths to identify the projected pace.

All of the horses are matched to this pace. Horses that can't match
the pace are not contenders.



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