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Sorry Rich. I forgot to add this question on the last post. Would you use an early line from a turf race in a dirt race or vice versa.

Stan

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Originally Posted by sdahl (Post 24010)

How far back would you go in lines looking for an early horse. It seems sometimes that certain horses change styles. Also, on this example you were using adjusted times. Is that because some of the races were from other distances.

Stan

Hi Stan,
Both example races I used adjusted times. This is for software/adjusted data users.

I have received 78 replies of interest in my newsletter so far. 62 of them said they were using adjusted data and software but wanted to incorporate some of Hat's teachings to help them. When I told Jim this he gave me a few things to think about.

What you see here in this thread are the steps of some of those things he put in my head.
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Regarding the early horse(s) it's kind of a race by race/horse by horse issue if that makes sense.

Like the 2 horse in this last example race. he is off a long time BUT the both times he raced at Hoosier he went for the lead at 2 different sprint distances (5.5 and 6). To me it "looked right" to assume he is going to go for the lead today.

I definitely agree with you about horses changing styles. If a horse 3 races back went to the front in a 22.4 and his last 2 races at same track/distance the 1st calls went in 23.1 /23.2 and he didn't go then I have a hard time calling this guy early TODAY and using that 3 back line to project from. Jim calls this "not getting on top of fractions he did before".

Richie

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Originally Posted by sdahl (Post 24011)

Sorry Rich. I forgot to add this question on the last post. Would you use an early line from a turf race in a dirt race or vice versa.

Stan

Stan I do NOT work turf races using this method. Different rail positions and timing **** make it a total guessing game at least to ME.

Richie

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Originally Posted by shoeless (Post 23995)

It would be very helpful if everyone saves their comments until Richie is finished with the race.I think this way it's easier to comprehend.Shoeless

Let me know if I made things clear for you Jeff ok?
Thanks
Richie

Richie,Yes it much clearer to me now I appreciate it and thanks everyone for holding your questions to the end.Jeff

Rich, if their were no early's in this race, how would you determine your projected times and pace setter.

Stan

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Originally Posted by sdahl (Post 24018)

Rich, if their were no early's in this race, how would you determine your projected times and pace setter.

Stan

2 options Stan:
1) PASS
2) Use fastest pace of race from last line at today's track/distance where horse ran competitive. "Competitive" is open for individual user interpretation.

Richie

Red Match Up manual

Hi Rich
On page 62 of the Red Match Up Manual
Do you and Jim still recommend manufacturing a time

I'm reading this manual and I refer to towards the bottom
of age 62 were Jim says Next we must establish the pace of the race

Thanks
Bill

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Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 24009)

Step 4 - Go to the window to CASH.

I like step #4. I wanna get to step #4 a whole lot. I am officially requesting more of "these" step 4's , thank you. :D VoodooFan

This race just ran 10 seconds ago.

The #7 went off at 4/5 man. Do you even sniff him here matching?

Project off 45.4 on both the #1 and #8 and you can't find the chalk with a Ouija board

The #10 is the winner at 11/1.

The fav #7? he will get back to the barn eventually. :confused: