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RichieP 01-23-2007 06:58 PM

Gulfstream "Live" Wednesday - Race 2
 
Continuing the "test drives" of Ted's RDSS software.

Once again I will do the first non maiden race on the card keeping with last week's theme.

This week we will again pick pacelines WITHOUT looking at any speed ratings etc etc. We'll just "pick em" based on some matching stuff and then see what shakes out.

I am going to select "Power Lines" for the horses. These are lines that make the horse FAST and after all we want to be betting FAST horses.

Then we will identify early/other than early race shape. Followed by the RAW screen data( which I use) and then the Perceptor and Bl/Bl ADJUSTED screens with all their cool stuff and colors.

In keeping with the early/other than early theme I am NOT going to individually go nuts nitpicking running styles. There are only TWO styles now for ME.
1) Early - A horse Wiring the field from the first call
2) Other than early - ALL other horses.

As you see this 2nd race from Gp will prove quite interesting in this last regard man :)

There are NO tandems in this race

So Let's get busy

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:02 PM

Gulfstream Race 2
 
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Horse 1 - Obvious power line is checked.

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:04 PM

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horse #2 .

Last line is obvious power line as it is BOTH fastes pace of race AND puts the horse CLOSEST to the leaders.

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:06 PM

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horse # 3. Simple as last line says it all for this one.

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:11 PM

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horse # 4.

ok here is where the matchup (Jim Bradshaw's way) can NOT be duplicated by software. We want to use the 1st fraction from line 5 BUT the 1c and 2c from line 6. This "blending "of lines also needs some "extra credit" for the "heading" that took place 1c-2c on line 5.

For now I will check BOTH lines and keep em both. Thats what we want for this guy's power line ok? A blend of those 2 lines and positioning DEFINITELY makes this one a contender

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:15 PM

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horse #5.

The last line is faster pace of race but the first line is better positionally. I am using the last line because that 2c of that 5f line is just way too SLOW man ok?

Remember we are NOT looking at any adjusted figs for this working of the race. This is my quirky way. Other testers can come and show their stuff if they like.

Last line please

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:16 PM

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horse #6.
Line 4 is the obvious power line if one ignores the slop( I do):)

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:19 PM

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horse #7 to complete the field. Line 2 needs no further explanation

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:22 PM

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ok so here is the RAW DATA screen. Anyone notice anything regarding "styles" ?

NOBODY is early. Look at the first call. All the horses want SOMEONE ELSE to lead them based on the POWER LINES.

So we have an "Other than early" race shape.

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:25 PM

Adjusdted Data
 
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here is the Perceptor screen showing ADJUSTED data with all it's colors and accouterments :eek:

RichieP 01-23-2007 07:27 PM

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Finally the BL/BL screen dressed to the 9's!

Let's see what happens

Richie

Ted Craven 01-23-2007 09:35 PM

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One more screen, same pacelines: the TPR + Early/Late Differential (corrected :o)

Forego 01-24-2007 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Craven (Post 14564)
One more screen, same pacelines: the TPR + Early/Late Differential


something is wrong here ted.

the 7 is showing 6 point epr advantage over next best while both perceptor and blbl show him ranked 3rd.

on lpr the 7 shows 2 and 3 point advantge over the extracted lines of the 4 on perceptor screen. on this screen the edge is 20 points.

Ted Craven 01-24-2007 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forego (Post 14576)
something is wrong here ted.

Indeed! I was working with another set of numbers and got the images confused. I changed it for the correct screenshot, which I think now agrees with Perceptor and BL/BL.

Thanks Forego for the attentiveness, and apologies for being sloppy!

Ted

Ted Craven 01-24-2007 02:56 PM

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Result

Houndog 01-25-2007 08:18 PM

TPR + E/L Screen
 
Ted, I really like that screen. Is this a new screen, or an upgrade from the E/L screen? Also on the far right of this screen the TOT is for Total Energy. Am I correct about this?

I was also wondering which screen is your favorite, after picking your pacelines? Also would be interested in your BETA testers commenting on which screens they use the most. This program is really coming along.

Houndog 01-25-2007 08:23 PM

TPR + E/L Screen Model
 
Seems to me this would be a great screen to model. Some very good information on this screen.

Ted Craven 01-25-2007 08:36 PM

Mike,

It's just the same old E/L screen from Synthesis, Validator, Speculator dressed for the new Millenium. The E/L differential is EPR-LPR (or EPR-FFR, if you prefer): look it up in Pace Makes the Race. I'm just breaking out the components for those who enjoy the TPR concept. Same thing.

Yes, per the traditional Val, Spec screen, Total Energy shows at the far right. I'd shoehorn in Visual Running Style and ESP if I could find the room. I wish everyone were using 1280 x 1024 display screens.

For me, after contenders and a Match Up, I go straight to Perceptor, but now I also check the VDC rank on BL/BL just to see who'se improving off deceleration. I always pay attention to E/L but I'm sprinkling this readout fairly liberally throught the new software, so it's on several screens now.

There are others, but so far, the majors for me. A proper matchup and race shape determination helps chop down the crowd, but I worry about chopping too far, eliminating the Place and other money horses. So my readouts tend to have lots of horses, but I'm trying to organize these into groups: Win, Place, in-the-money.

There's only a few other testers right now (and one of them is busy at the moment in Las Vegas...), but come on down the rest of you.

The beta group should open up more next month.

Thanks for your comments!

Ted

Ted Craven 01-25-2007 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndog (Post 14626)
Seems to me this would be a great screen to model. Some very good information on this screen.

Agreed, per Tim's Speculator post: http://bindfold.com/forums/showpost....19&postcount=5

Ted

Houndog 01-25-2007 08:41 PM

Thanks Ted
 
Ted, thanks for the comments and observations. This program would be a natural for the 19" LCD monitors which have come way down in price. The "native" resolution is 1280 x 1024 for these monitors.

RichieP 01-25-2007 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Craven (Post 14627)
. I wish everyone were using 1280 x 1024 display screens.
Ted

Some folks like myself have to make due with what they have. If you feel my shots are not doing the program justice just holler and they will cease Ted.
No problemo

Richie

Houndog 01-25-2007 09:05 PM

Don't Stop Screenshots
 
Richie, don't stop your screenshots. They are fine. I realize not everyone can have the latest and greatest. I was just commenting about the prices going down. As one of the major testers for RDSS I value your opinions on this program.

BTW I am still running Windows 98 and a 15" monitor at home. At work in the IT Dept we have 19" LCD's. Will upgrade when I can swing it.

Ted Craven 01-25-2007 09:05 PM

Richie,

Are you kidding? Your screen shots show everything that needs to be there! I'll soon be firing up my video screencast software and start making some more tours.

It's your Match Up analysis, more than the screen shots, that is the real meat here.

I promise to try to keep up with you...

(Mike, just FYI, RDSS requires at least Windows XP).

Ted

Houndog 01-25-2007 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted Craven (Post 14635)
Richie,

Are you kidding? Your screen shots show everything that needs to be there! I'll soon be firing up my video screencast software and start making some more tours.

It's your Match Up analysis, more than the screen shots, that is the real meat here.

I promise to try to keep up with you...

(Mike, just FYI, RDSS requires at least Windows XP).

Ted

Ted, understand about needing XP. I think in a earlier post you said it had to do with RDSS using certain fonts that would not render properly in earlier versions of windows.

Ted Craven 01-25-2007 09:21 PM

The software uses the 'Unicode' font representation layer (so includes all non- Roman alphabets). You can get a Unicode add-on module for Win98, Win2000, Win ME, but you can also get a bowtie for your pet pig.

Ted

Houndog 01-25-2007 09:52 PM

Green Acres
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Craven (Post 14637)
The software uses the 'Unicode' font representation layer (so includes all non- Roman alphabets). You can get a Unicode add-on module for Win98, Win2000, Win ME, but you can also get a bowtie for your pet pig.

Ted

Green Acres is the place for me. I am a great admirer of Arnold Ziffel.:D


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