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RichieP 06-28-2007 11:29 AM

Rdss/Pizzola/Turf Routes
 
Let's test the method.

1) Use the best turf route showing in the pp's.For this I will use best Perceptor rank as that is the horse matched against itself.

2) NO hiding of horses. Not what he does.

3) going to show 2 Rdss screens for each race. Segments and Bl/bl which shows decel rankings.

Tracks:
Arlington
Belmont
Calder
Churchill
Hollywood

Will work ALL turf routes and post only those where at least FIVE (5) turf route contenders are present.

Will make every attempt to post up for the next four days. That gives 20 cards of data. While not definitive it is definitely something to look at.

I WILL have time to post AFTER scratches are announced so that's good.

Thursday's races:
Arlington
Race 8

Belmont
Races 5-7-9

Churchill
Race 4

Calder
Races 2-4

Hollywood
Race 1

Back in a couple of hours

RichieP 06-28-2007 12:46 PM

Thursday
 
Calder's races are off the turf

froggy 06-28-2007 12:52 PM

Richie,

This is something I am going to watch very closely.

Froggy

RichieP 06-28-2007 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by froggy (Post 20630)
Richie,

This is something I am going to watch very closely.

Froggy

Hey Frog
Me too! If this goes down we might have to order some more fresh "Pads" for the Frog to leap across :)

RichieP 06-28-2007 12:59 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Churchill - race 4
segments

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:00 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Churchill - race 4
bl/bl

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:23 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 5
segments

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:24 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 5
bl/bl

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:26 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 7
segments

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:26 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 7
bl/bl

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:28 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 9
segments

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:28 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 9
bl/bl

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:34 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Arlington - race 8
segments

RichieP 06-28-2007 01:35 PM

Thursday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Arlington - race 8
bl/bl

RichieP 06-28-2007 02:27 PM

Thursday
 
Hollywood - race 1
PASSED as only 1 horse has a turf route.

mufasa 06-28-2007 02:30 PM

Rdss/Pizzola/Turf Routes-- Post #1

Richie:

This is an interesting exercise that you are entering into especially as to the best pace line shown in the PP’s. When you use the best Perceptor ranked pace line will there be any qualifiers besides that it was in a grass race? Are you going to require that the horse was in a good form race however you define that? Will you lump route grass races with sprint grass races into the mix and just pick the best no matter? The reason that I ask is because having an idea of any special qualifiers adds to the understanding of the results.

Thanks,

Robert

RichieP 06-28-2007 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mufasa (Post 20648)
Rdss/Pizzola/Turf Routes-- Post #1

Richie:

This is an interesting exercise that you are entering into especially as to the best pace line shown in the PP’s. When you use the best Perceptor ranked pace line will there be any qualifiers besides that it was in a grass race? Are you going to require that the horse was in a good form race however you define that? Will you lump route grass races with sprint grass races into the mix and just pick the best no matter? The reason that I ask is because having an idea of any special qualifiers adds to the understanding of the results.

Thanks,

Robert

Hi "Mu"

I am using the best Perceptor ranked turf route line showing in the pp's with NO other qualifying factor.

I am only posting races where at least FIVE (5) such horses are present.

I am ONLY working turf route races.

Richie

mufasa 06-28-2007 03:44 PM

Richie:

I understand fully now except since you are just handicapping turf route races for this exercise if you come across a higher Perceptor ranked sprint on the grass will you consider it or go to the next highest route grass race?

Thanks,

Robert

RichieP 06-28-2007 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mufasa (Post 20652)
Richie:

I understand fully now except since you are just handicapping turf route races for this exercise if you come across a higher Perceptor ranked sprint on the grass will you consider it or go to the next highest route grass race?

Thanks,

Robert

Not considering any sprints of any kind.

If best Perceptor ranking for a horse is from 7f turf race ,2nd best perceptor ranking is from a dirt 6f race and 3rd best perceptor ranking is from a turf route i use the turf route.

RichieP 06-28-2007 03:56 PM

Result
 
1 Attachment(s)
Churchill - race 4

RichieP 06-28-2007 04:08 PM

Summary page
 
I am am making a nice daily summary page I think you will like based on three factors.
1) Segment screen rank
2) Bl/bl rank
3) Dcl rank (from bl/bl screen)

Winners and exactas gettable by boxing 3 horses are gonna be tracked and reported based on these 3 factors.
Richie

RichieP 06-28-2007 04:13 PM

Result
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 5

RichieP 06-28-2007 04:51 PM

Result
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 7

shrink1 06-28-2007 05:17 PM

turf
 
Richie,
Thank you very much for this insight. I just happen to b playing Arlington today and have been for a while using RDSS. I have had some good luck with it. I will keep playing your idea and let you know how I make out. I also play Monmouth and Belmont and Lone Star. It would be interesting to see how this makes out there. This might also be usable for playing the Polytrack races ie. routes etc. Keep up the interesting work. You have helped me a great deal with my own handicapping.
Ira

RichieP 06-28-2007 05:37 PM

Result
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 9

RichieP 06-28-2007 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shrink1 (Post 20662)
Richie,
Thank you very much for this insight. I just happen to b playing Arlington today and have been for a while using RDSS. I have had some good luck with it. I will keep playing your idea and let you know how I make out. I also play Monmouth and Belmont and Lone Star. It would be interesting to see how this makes out there. This might also be usable for playing the Polytrack races ie. routes etc. Keep up the interesting work. You have helped me a great deal with my own handicapping.
Ira

Hi Ira,
Interesting idea regarding Poly races. Definitely food for thought. Thank you

hope all is well
Richie

RichieP 06-28-2007 06:40 PM

Result
 
1 Attachment(s)
Arlington - race 8

RichieP 06-28-2007 06:51 PM

Summary
 
use the scroll to see the full report

Code:

6/28
Churchill - race 4
winner #7 - $3.40
place #4 - exacta $23.80
Winner ranking:
seg - 1st
bl/bl - 1st
dcl - 3rd
top 3 in both bl/bl and dcl gets exacta in 3 horse box

Belmont - race 5
winner #6 - $7.40
place #3 - exacta $50.00
winner ranking:
seg - 2nd
bl/bl - 3rd
dcl - out
top 3 in both seg and bl/bl gets exacta in 3 horse box

Belmont - race 7
winner - #3 - $5.20
place - #2 - exacta $14.20
winner ranking:
seg - 1st
bl/bl- 1st
dcl - 1st
top 3 in all 3 categories gets exacta in 3 horse box

Belmont - race 9
winner - #4 - $31.60
place - #8
the winner and place horse did NOT have turf routes to enter

Arlington - race 8
winner - #7 - $17.20
place - #4 - exacta - $76.20
winner ranking:
seg - 3rd
bl/bl - out
dcl - 2nd
none of the 3 factors gets the exacta in a box.


5 race Exacta Summary:
bl/bl gets 3 boxing top 3 = $88.00
seg gets 2 boxing top 3 = $64.20
dcl gets 2 boxing top 3 = $38.00


RichieP 06-29-2007 08:36 AM

Friday
 
Here is today's lineup of races before scratches and track conditions are known at the five tracks we are covering.

Arlington:
8 - 10

Belmont:
4-8-9

Churchill:
10

Calder:
3 -5

Hollywood:
none

Back this afternoon after scratches and stuff are known with the screenshots for today's races.

RichieP 06-29-2007 09:14 AM

Clarity
 
Just to keep things straight here.

I am testing Michael Pizzola's method of capping turf route races using Rdss in a format I believe is as close as one can get using THIS software.

He does NOT bet sprints. I won't work sprints

He does NOT "verify" a line so I am not insisting on a "confirming" 2nd line. he has an "abberancy check" on his software but turns it off on races 99% of the time.

He takes the best "ppf" number. I match the horse against ITSELF and take the best Perceptor number.

I have traded a few emails with Michael and like him a lot. Super capper and one of the hardest working cappers around who puts his cash where his mouth is.

This thread has NOTHING to do with Tim Y,Ray L nor anyone else on this site. This is about
1) RDSS
2) Michael's method INTERPRETED by me into Ted's software
3) FUN and a definite learning experience regardless of outcome.

Richie

RichieP 06-29-2007 01:00 PM

Friday
 
Calder's races are off the turf. Hollywood has none carded for this evening.

Ap,Bel and Cd all have midafternoon first post times today. screenshots up in couple of hours for them

RichieP 06-29-2007 01:42 PM

Friday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont's 4th race is off the turf. 8 and 9 will be run over the lawn.

Here is race 8
segments

RichieP 06-29-2007 01:42 PM

Friday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 8
bl/bl

RichieP 06-29-2007 01:44 PM

Friday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 9
segments

RichieP 06-29-2007 01:45 PM

Friday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Belmont - race 9
bl/bl

RichieP 06-29-2007 02:05 PM

Friday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Churchill - race 10
segments

RichieP 06-29-2007 02:06 PM

Friday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Churchill - race 10
bl/bl

jms62 06-29-2007 03:03 PM

Great Job with this Rich... Friends helping Friends..

RichieP 06-29-2007 03:12 PM

Friday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Thanx Jms!

Arlington's 10th has only 4 contenders after scratches so it is PASSED.

Here is Arlington - race 8
segments

RichieP 06-29-2007 03:13 PM

Friday
 
1 Attachment(s)
Arlington - race 8
blbl


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