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RichieP 07-30-2007 11:56 AM

Match with "The Hat" at Saratoga
 
I spoke with Jim and he likes the idea.

He went to the casino yesterday and told me he was gonna focus on Saratoga. He did not stay for the full card but did quite well on the races he did bet.

When he got back he asked if I had worked any races there and I told him no as I was tied up with family stuff. I had no clue of results.

He gave me FOUR races to work that he had won. As you will see they are all types man.

I do not want to say anything more on how I did other than to tell you I did NOT win them all.

Here is what we are going to do:
1) I am going to lay out the FULL pp's for each horse in each of the four races with the scratches removed.
2) Take your time looking at the race and then post how YOU worked the race and what your final betting decision is. Be SPECIFIC in what you did.

Why? Jim has agreed to read everyone's workup of the race and will make suggestions/comments that will help YOU specifically when he sees the chance. THIS is extremely cool!

I am going to post MY workup of each of the races EXACTLY as I did them with Jim on the phone last night. I am going to be wrong and lose at least 1 of the races. Just not gonna say which one(s).

Thank you in advance to Jim for agreeing to do this. :)

So are YOU ready to "Match with the Hat"?

If YOU have been "lurking" here,have read his new book and/or have been reading the posts and want to jump in NOW is the perfect time man.

Only thing Jim asks is NO questions relating to software please.

Richie
I will post the full pp's for the races after supper.

mufasa 07-30-2007 12:51 PM

This is a great opportunity to MU with you and "The Hat." I can not wait to get started.

Robert

Jonathan Steele 07-30-2007 01:04 PM

Richie,

Hello my friend. I can not say this enough times nor emphasize it strongly enough: THANKS for doin' what you're doing!!!

All the best,

Jon :D

p.s. And of course, ditto for The Hat.

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:51 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Here is race 1 at 6f on the dirt. take your time. Then post how YOU matched the race and what the bet is if any.

"Hat Helper" - Early or other than Early?

Horse 1

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:52 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Horse 2

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:52 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Horse 3

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:53 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Horse 4

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:53 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Horse 5

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:53 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Horse 6

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:54 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Horse 7

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:54 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Horse 8

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:55 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Horse 9

RichieP 07-30-2007 01:57 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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Tandem races for this race.

ok PLEASE list the race number when you post your workup as this thread will be rather long and it will be easier for The Hat to put your analysis with the right race ok?

Thank you
Richie

RichieP 07-30-2007 02:11 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 1
 
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My workup for Saratoga's Race 1:

the 3-5-6 run early with the 2 also capable but who seems to have become a slow horse in last few.

Looking for "other than early" or "OTE" for the win here.

1 - OTE stlye and fast. In
2 - Early. Out
3 - Early. Out
4 - Slow horse.Out
5 - Early.Out
6 - Early.Out
7 - Slow horse.Out
8 - OTE style and fast. In
9 - Slow horse and the other FL horse is faster. OUT

Final contenders - 1 and 8
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Matching the 1 and 8 I see the quick moves on the 8 horse
5-4-2
5-4-1
and "mark" him as my bet because he will be ahead of the 1 horse.
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My Bet = #8 Tzipi to win

Richie

RichieP 07-30-2007 04:47 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 2
 
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Here is Race 2 for 2yr old maiden fillies :eek: at 6f on the dirt.

There are 3 first time starters. The 1,2,6. I will post the runners that have raced.

YES Jim does bet these races.

Horse 3

RichieP 07-30-2007 04:48 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 2
 
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Horse 4

RichieP 07-30-2007 04:48 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 2
 
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Horse 5

emilio840 07-30-2007 04:48 PM

Race #1
 
There are 3 Early horses #2,3,9

#2 is really the fastest horse here but his last 3 race are awful.

The pace of the race should be 22.4 45.4 110.4 (got this from #2's 7th line back)

The race should run OTE

#1 in
#2 Early out
#3 Early out
#4 slow horse
#5 in
#6 in
#7 slow horse
#8 in
#9 Early out

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#1 from line 5 21.3 45.4 106.1 5 5 1

#5 from line 2 21.3 44.4 110.3 2 2 3

#6 from line 3 22.2 45.4 112.1 2 1 1

#8 from line 2 22.1 45.4 111.2 5 4 2
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#1 and #5 come from the faster first call. Jim I think I read somewhere about the 1st call at CD that you didn't like. So, I am kind of lost here. #5 is in the fastest pace and is close to the pace. But the #1 seems to make the biggest move of them all. Since I bet only 1 horse I would have to pass the race.

emilio

RichieP 07-30-2007 04:49 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 2
 
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Horse 7

RichieP 07-30-2007 04:49 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 2
 
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Horse 8

RichieP 07-30-2007 04:50 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 2
 
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Horse 9.

There are NO tandems in this race

RichieP 07-30-2007 04:57 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 2
 
My workup of race 2 at Saratoga:

the 5 shows he might go for the lead here. About a 22.2 - 45.4

the 4 shows a gain of position and beaten lengths to the 2nd call to engage in a fight with a time one second faster than the 5.

Rest of the field has to come from Mars to win and are eliminated.
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#4 J Z Warrior for the Win

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:04 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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This is race 4 at 8.5f on the Inner Turf course. Here is the field

Horse 1

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:04 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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Horse 3

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:05 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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Horse 4

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:05 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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Horse 5

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:06 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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Horse 6

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:06 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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Horse 8

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:07 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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Horse 9

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:07 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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Horse 11

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:08 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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Tandems for the race

RichieP 07-30-2007 05:22 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 4
 
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My workup of Saratoga's 4th race:

There is no real early horse here. A couple have tried for the lead but nobody consistently so I am looking OTE for the winner here.

1- slow horse - Out
3- slow horse - Out
4- one of 3 horses who have won against 1:11 2c pace on the turf. These are the fastest horses in the race.In
5- slow horse - Out
6- slow horse - Out
8- slow horse - Out
9- 2nd of 3 horses who have won against 1:11 2c pace. In
11- 3rd horse who has won against 1:11 2c pace. In
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ok 2 of the 3 contenders (4 and 9) have raced at Gp. They have what I call "common ground" so I match them and the 9 kills off the 4.
4- Killed off by the matchup with the 9 - Out
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That leaves 2 contenders which have no "common ground" for me to match.
Negative feeling for me for sure.

Additionally the line for the 11 is on an off turf plus the 9 might go for the lead today which I feel will hurt her as she might be out of position.

No confidence in reducing to 1 horse here.Would just be guessing
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Passsing the race as I can not reduce to 1 horse confidently.

emilio840 07-30-2007 05:27 PM

Race #2
 
FTS = #1,2,6

Pace of the race should be 22 45 110

This race should run Early. Maybe the 5 might take the lead at the first call but thats as far as #5 would go.

#3 in
#4 in
#7 in
#8 Slow out
#9 in

In this field I don't see any horse that can compete with #4.

emilio

RichieP 07-30-2007 06:24 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 6
 
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Here is race 6 at 8.5f on the Inner Turf. Here is the field.

Horse 1

RichieP 07-30-2007 06:25 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 6
 
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Horse 2

RichieP 07-30-2007 06:25 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 6
 
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Horse 3

RichieP 07-30-2007 06:26 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 6
 
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Horse 4

RichieP 07-30-2007 06:26 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 6
 
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Horse 5

RichieP 07-30-2007 06:27 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 6
 
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Horse 6

RichieP 07-30-2007 06:27 PM

YOU match the race - Saratoga race 6
 
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Horse 8


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