good place to start
 

Im trying to get a better comprehension of the match up not for picking winners but for determing if the race will be run early or late.Im now rereading the match up red manual and find it's a good place to start.

I am not here to criticize any method one might choose to achieve success. What works for some may not work for others. All I can tell you is what worked for me.

In the 121 race cycle that I handicapped in the Meadowlands contest I won 45 races A touch over 37%.(single pick) winners.
Not once during this contest did I look at a split time or first fraction. To me position at the second call and beaten lengths and position at the finish is paramount.
This in accordance with the pace comfort zone, pace velocity and speed points which gives you a fair indication of how the race will run. I am a proponent of PaceAppraiser. I use no software other then the PaceAppraiser Form because I have no need to. However, I made a decision clear to my head and start fresh and dedicate myself to learning a new method that works and has been repeatedly proven.

What ever method works for you - stick with it.
Only you will know what you are comfortable with and what affect it will have on your bankroll.

Parts,Your reply is way off topic.The reason I posted this was that in my opinion the match up is best used to determine if a race will be setup eatly or late,I believe that only Hat was able to pick the winner sucessfully without the aid of a computer.I would like to be more proficent at being able to do this but have nowhere to turn to so I started rereading the manual.The funny thing is before Gary got Jim to post here he had hooked me up with him via e mail but I didnt seize the oppurtunity to learn from him.Rx Lawyer did tell me one time of a gentlemen in Vegas named Jim Mc Elwee who is supposed to be just as good doing the match up as Hat was.I had tried to contact him aways back but never heard from him.Jeff

As a side note and you will think this sounds weird and it's no BS a couple of night ago I had a dream with Hat in it.We were in the desert together chasing someone but I dont know who it was.The funny thing about this was 1)my decision to learn the match up better 2)I have been talking to one of my best friends who moved to Vegas and he is trying to have me do the same.I have enough equity in my house where IF and that's a big one I could sell my place here I could pay cash for something in Vegas and have pocket money left over.Maybe then I can meet up with Mr.Mc Elwee.Jeff

A good place to start imho is pinned on the wall beside me


Jim Bradshaw's 5 Step Approach to the Match Up

Charlie,That's great but you still might want to take a peek at the red manual since the 5 step approach is an offspring of it.

Jeff

I've read the Red Manual more than once and i can see why some people had difficulty understanding it

The 5 Step is an easy to understand condensed version of it


The first draft of a document is not always the best

Charlie,Im glad that you found something that works for you that's the main thing.I like the red manual because you also have Doc,Schmidt and Pizzolla chiming in.For me the red manual is not that hard to understand,I know Im in the minority but I thought Hat's 1st book was a easier read then the 2nd.Jeff

Just my opinion Jeff, but if you want to get better at determining Early or OTE, Start with 5 step and then move onto examples in Hat Check


All the best

Noting has helped me predict early or OTE like Lil' Cap's recent posts on the subject. Great stuff, really great. I use it regularly now.:1:

Tom,I am unable to post questions there so no sense for me to read the posts but Im glad that it has helped you.

Charlie and Tom, Are you following Doc's or Hat's way of doing the match up?It appears to me that even though they follow the same concept it is taught differently by each.Doc's was done by using the various programs and Hat's if your following his book seems to be done by the racing form.Jeff

I Match Up Jeff using RDSS in HAT mode :)

Charlie,Since you have read the red manual do you think there is a difference between the way Doc and Hat teach the match up.The reason Im asking is because using Synergism 2 you have to setup the race either FW,Early or Late.I think it's best when you setup either early or late.


By the way good luck in using RDSS Hat mode it is a fine program and Im sure Ted will make significant improvements to make it even better.Jeff

Jeff

Doc's Methodolgy is computed and adjusted Fr1+Fr2+Fr3 to give you the, Energy readouts, FW, FX rankings etc - Bill Varone and others use Doc's Methodology

Hat's Match Up is RAW Fr1+ Fr2 +Fr3 - Charlie D and others Matchers use this

and thats difference


BTW, Hat mode is what i call the screens we post in Hat Check

Screen 1 is the Hats Match Up (raw)

Screen 2 and 3 are the Doc's Match Up (computed, adjusted)

Charlie,I might be wrong on this but when Doc showed races he had done he would only show the top 5 horses according to total energy and line score.Also it seemed he never mixed distances or surface it would be best of last 3 at comparable distance which I agree with him 100%.I just thought I would point that out on your sample screens which I appreciate you taking the time to show.Jeff

I don't use either 100%. I mix the ideas that Hat and Richie have shared, especially the power lines and power moves, using F1 and F2 to compare the earlies and decide if OTE will win. I use CJ numbers, and velocity from HTR, more Sartin style, but with the match up concepts.

I have heard nothing but raves about HTR,I wish I was more number savvy to be able to get full use of it.

Shoeless, don't head for Las Vegas just yet, Jim McElwee is living in FLorida now. HE and Rxlawyer are friends of mine so I know this to be a fact.

Thanks for the tip I didnt know he had moved.How is Gary doing?I sent him an e mail but never heard back from him I hope he is ok.I met him a few times and learned quite a bit he is very knowledgeable.

Did you ever send me an item that at one time was going for a good clip on e bay?