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Rverge 02-17-2009 12:40 PM

pha 2-17-09
 
the first race @ pha. go'n try and beat the 3 w/ either 2-5-7

Rverge 02-17-2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rverge (Post 48432)
the first race @ pha. go'n try and beat the 3 w/ either 2-5-7

hmmm, may pass as 1-6 scratched

Tim Y 02-17-2009 01:10 PM

Somewhere amongst :2: :3: :5: is the winner and maiden graduate of the opener
IF the nine doesn't come from the clouds

Confusing? speed will take it methinks

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:16 PM

i wonder why the 5 is being bet down so much? r1 pha

raceman5 02-17-2009 01:28 PM

Tampa Double. Very ugly races.

Race 1. 3.7.4
Race 2. 2.5

Bob

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Y (Post 48434)
Somewhere amongst :2: :3: :5: is the winner and maiden graduate of the opener
IF the nine doesn't come from the clouds

Confusing? speed will take it methinks

i'll take 4-1:cool:

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:31 PM

btw speed did it

mikesal57 02-17-2009 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rverge (Post 48435)
i wonder why the 5 is being bet down so much? r1 pha

look at 2nd race back...better factions and power move

tam 1st...#1 win

mike

Tim Y 02-17-2009 01:35 PM

Whenever there are more than three logicals it is time to pass

THAT race, a type that is becoming all too common, is all about survival not running ability: Get out into a good position early and then HANG ON. No stamina in the breed and it is sad

mikesal57 02-17-2009 01:40 PM

phil 2nd #7

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:40 PM

the 6 looks hard to beat in the 2nd @ pha. maybe 2-5--

Tim Y 02-17-2009 01:41 PM

Logic says :6: :7: in Philly 2nd but so far, the odds board says look elsewhere

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by raceman5 (Post 48436)
Tampa Double. Very ugly races.

Race 1. 3.7.4
Race 2. 2.5

Bob

did you hit this one bob?
7-3 $17+ ex

ps i have a cat named bob.(sorry)

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Y (Post 48443)
Logic says :6: :7: in Philly 2nd but so far, the odds board says look elsewhere

i agree

Tim Y 02-17-2009 01:44 PM

With the software we have, there are many gold mines in UGLY races. I have made bundles on races everyone else abandoned.....There is money to be made in many of them as the crowd has no clue like we have.

raceman5 02-17-2009 01:47 PM

Tampa
 
just doubles going verge. Don't be sorry, they even made a movie about me. What about Bob? lol lol

Bob

Pick 3 for Tampa $1.00

Race 2. 2.5
Race 3. 9.7.2
Race 4 11.6.5

Tim Y 02-17-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rverge (Post 48444)

ps i have a cat named bob.(sorry)

Three here the elder statesmen is JEFF
Teenager (relatively in cat years) MOCHA
baby - Minnie who is about to be spayed this weekend

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Y (Post 48446)
With the software we have, there are many gold mines in UGLY races. I have made bundles on races everyone else abandoned.....There is money to be made in many of them as the crowd has no clue like we have.

HOLY CAT AND JAMMERS i agree again!

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Y (Post 48448)
Three here the elder statesmen is JEFF
Teenager (relatively in cat years) MOCHA
baby - Minnie who is about to be spayed this weekend

cool i have 4 more. had 7 but had to put 2 down

Rverge 02-17-2009 01:57 PM

boy the 6 was unbeatable.

Rverge 02-17-2009 02:02 PM

r3 @ pha looks like 3 @4/5 should win even 5-6 will be short.

Tim Y 02-17-2009 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rverge (Post 48451)
boy the 6 was unbeatable.

With cheap speed, once a horse clears the early pressure, it is usually over. At Philly, it usually takes about 3 or 4 units of late to overcome every one unit of energy early. MY KIND OF PLACE

I look at races simply. What do the pressure horses do before the opportunists (those close at the second call) crank it up. The front group have a TREMENDOUS advantage on dirt, Always have, always will.

Thanks again to Huey as I just re-read his great little book again over the weekend in between fighting the sun and shadow, 6 f stop exposure difference at the finish line at Fraser Downs Harness races. Thak goodness for neutral density filters.

Tim Y 02-17-2009 02:14 PM

:6: :3: hardly a surprise in the baby race :5: closed strongly last out on an easy pace

One two three but then everyone KNEW THAT

Rverge 02-17-2009 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rverge (Post 48452)
r3 @ pha looks like 3 @4/5 should win even 5-6 will be short.


pass i'll leave maybe $8 on the table

Tim Y 02-17-2009 02:21 PM

Late scratches: You would be surprised at how many times it is the rider and not the vet that points out problems that require late scratches. I guess it is to their advantage in heading off potential accidents that could be disastrous to their income.

I have learned a ton about equine medicine from our gate vets. Both are ladies who tolerate my incessant questioning and are good sports with the raucous gate crew.

raceman5 02-17-2009 02:23 PM

Huehy
 
Tim that was a great book. IMO the best written on pace. Sorry i do not have my copy anymore. Was that The Race is Pace. Wondering if i can find that anywhere?

Bob

Rverge 02-17-2009 02:28 PM

the 3rd ran just like the top 3 5-6-3:eek:

Tim Y 02-17-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by raceman5 (Post 48457)
Tim that was a great book. IMO the best written on pace. Sorry i do not have my copy anymore. Was that The Race is Pace. Wondering if i can find that anywhere?

Bob

Right here
http://www.gamblersbook.com/product....8&cat=0&page=1

Tim Y 02-17-2009 02:42 PM

CAN the one or two get far out in front enough to be out of range of the closing four? Wiil wait to see if it is a bet

Rverge 02-17-2009 02:42 PM

R4 pha. #6 60-1 ml. what is this runner doing in this race
maybe 2-3. 1-4 a bit short.

Tim Y 02-17-2009 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rverge (Post 48461)
R4 pha. #6 60-1 ml. what is this runner doing in this race
maybe 2-3. 1-4 a bit short.

Ever been on the back side when the trackman's office is wheeling and dealing?

Often talk is like this: "if you run today to help me fill this race, I will open the conditions of that allowance race Saturday for you good filly."

OR
the Jimenez family does NOT know what the heck they are doing

Tim Y 02-17-2009 02:50 PM

SPEED over stamina but No money to either choice

Tim Y 02-17-2009 02:54 PM

A lot is going to go with the SIX here in the maiden 7 furlong contest

Furlong from the contraction of "furrow" (plowed field) and a specified distance (long)
The furlong, short for "furrow-long," is said to have been the distance a horse could pull a plow before having to rest. Its length was a matter of confusion for quite a spell, but by the 16th century folks generally agreed that it consisted of 40 rods of 16-1/2 feet each, or 660 feet in all-- and of course eight furlongs was 5,280 feet.

Rverge 02-17-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Y (Post 48464)
A lot is going to go with the SIX here in the maiden 7 furlong contest

Furlong from the contraction of "furrow" (plowed field) and a specified distance (long)
The furlong, short for "furrow-long," is said to have been the distance a horse could pull a plow before having to rest. Its length was a matter of confusion for quite a spell, but by the 16th century folks generally agreed that it consisted of 40 rods of 16-1/2 feet each, or 660 feet in all-- and of course eight furlongs was 5,280 feet.

also dutrows FTS 4-9. i like 1-3

Tim Y 02-17-2009 03:16 PM

What happened to the rider? RIDERS plural

Rverge 02-17-2009 03:20 PM

if no DQ's w/ the 3 i'll take the 9/2

Rverge 02-17-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Y (Post 48466)
What happened to the rider? RIDERS plural

the 3 could be DQ'd as it cut off the 1 i think watching the replay:eek:

Rverge 02-17-2009 03:22 PM

the 9 just fell off. but the 1

Rverge 02-17-2009 03:24 PM

its offical. 3-2-4-8- i was watching on the puter feed and it wasn't real clear.

Tim Y 02-17-2009 03:38 PM

wow an 80/1 shot almot hit the first in Phoenix

:5: :7: and the late late late closing :1: at Philly


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