New guy looking for where to post ?
 

Hello everyone

I just plunged in for a year and would like to say hi, to all.


I've already felt the "Love here", from quite a few already, this place seems to be fun oriented, with a little serious horse winning on the side.


I am not sure where one posts what here or in what area, and will learn quickly, that I assure you, but since I am here today, why not throw out a few things, okay...


1. Think back to when you began, what tracks did you have your best early success at, and why there? Was it the track was early speed oriented, or maybe a closing track? Or that Rdss just kicked butt there, it's possible.

2. I will slowly work my way thru the video library, and the audio files too, but do any of you have any other suggestions that you now look back on and wish you had been given when you started ???

3. I plan to do the following in the beginning: I will try to keep my focus on up tp 3 tracks or so, I think more would be too much, so help with choosing those 3 would be appreciated, as I like So Fla/New York/So. Cal, and then maybe night time tracks such as Mtr./Evd/ Sam Houston/Penn, but that is too many, and I must narrow it down, as someone also suggested Woodbine, as it has a long season for T-breds, and nice betting menu too.

4. Finding someone to begin this journey with, or maybe tag along with a few more experinced players would be nice, as I can devote some time to this enormous pleasure I call horse racing, my passion is unmeasurable, truly it is, but my other things such as discipline and wagering decisions are in need of some tweaking, okay some major tweaking, and my record keeping skills are none, at least right now anyway, that will change, as I know it must.

5. How long before I need to buy a wheelbarrow for all the money I will win?
Not long if the goal is 65% or better for the top 2 selections?

Okay thank you for your time, and I look forward to this new year.

Patrick

Hi Patrick


One step of the ladder at a time. Focus on one track or circuit and two horse win betting.

Put your circuits NYRA, SoCal, So Florida in order of preference and you will have your track focus

IT is all about the projected energy distribution in today's match up which is ALL ABOUT THE HORSE and NOTHING ELSE.

K.I.S.S.

You must learn how to crawl before
you walk and must learn how to walk before
you run

Godd luck tooo you

readd readddddddddd reeadddddddddd

god bless

New Guy
 

Patrick I will try to comment on your points in your post.

1) When I began with the Sartin Methodology I began with a program called Synergism II. It was velocity oriented (FPS) and latter progressed to Energy/Thoromation; Quad-Rater; Synthesis etc. I know your question was about which tracks I had success with, but I think it was more a matter of learning to use the programs as a tool to aid in the handicapping process. This will apply to RDSS also. I never really started having success until I learned how to use the programs in the manner that they were intentioned. The real work comes in with using proper pacelines, contenders, and readout interpretation. You will get more proficient with the Sartin Methodology as you practice. Don’t try to do it all at once and do not get discouraged. I do not have any “RULES” on how best to use any of the Sartin programs but I would encourage that you be consistent in your approach to handicapping.

2) As far as reading materials the Follow-Ups are the best for understanding how the Sartin Methodology developed. Much of the basics started with “Old Yeller” the yellow manual. If you find the yellow manual a difficult read Modern Pace Handicapping by Tom Brohamer a former teaching member will help. The advice I should have listened to from the start was not only to read the Follow-Ups but actually understanding the finer points that they had to offer. This usually involves reading the more important articles more than once.

3) As far as choosing tracks I can only say stick to the tracks you are comfortable with and in my case I like tracks that I get excited by playing. This means to me tracks with larger fields; a potential for good payoffs, and probably not too many maiden races with FTS’s.

4) Record keeping has been a weak part of my game. A simple spreadsheet to keep track of your bets will help identify your strengths and weaknesses with certain races. Doc Sartin has said often “Know Thy Track”. Having the discipline to keep good records, staying out of races that leaves you with more doubts than insights, and getting involved in races that you have a good handle on will only help.

5) How Long? Good question and will vary from person to person. I think there is truth to the saying that “The Harder A Person Works the Luckier They Get”. Trust your instincts “The Little Professor” as Doc would say. Don’t Zig and Zag with the Sartin Methodology and you will realize your goals sooner.

Good Luck!

CP there must be a better way, no just kidding, I am going thru the Library of stuff but my reading of things are not progressing , and there are a few reasons for that, but lets just say, that watching and listening are my best ways of continuing my crawling and walking lessons.

I do not know what it is with horse palyers, but when ever you ask about things that seem like shortcuts or ask about ptifalls that you could avoid when you start something new they always think bad of you... why ?

I am not looking to cut out the work involved, just not do the things that could avoided, or the one thing that once you learned it, youwent, wow, I wished I knew that when I started out, as it would have helped me tremendously, if that bothers some of you, sorry, but asking is how we learn, and this system seems to be fun so far, and I will try to keep it that way, and my unability to read the small print may slow me down a little bit, but, hopefully the videos and audio tapes will take up the slack , if not then oh well I will make due somehow, I always do, persisitence and passion, are powerful forces to propell me forward thru a lot of turbulence, but this should be fun and not a turbulent task.

I am starting one step at a time, and am open to all help or critique that you will share with me, as I was suggested to post questions on the board , and do hope I can do that without others thinking I looking for shortcuts , or as they say,.. trying " To Run before Crawling", as I am not doing that but do have the habit of jumping around a lot, sometimes working 2-3 different things at once, especially if I have no plan laid out for me to follow, then I just plow right ahead .

The following areas all have me already trying find out which looks best and what to look for to help eliminate a horse too

Velocity
Energy
TPR + ER
BL/BL
Perceptor Primary

just do what i do
print them ALLLLLLLLLLLl
great reading

Sorry definitely made reply without reading the whole post
Very good points there. All I meant is if you are not familiar
with the methodology (and only a handfull in here are) then regardless
of the program you have go to the library and read all FOLLOW UP
and all the manuals you will have an idea what most people in here
are talking about. Just a newbie like you man .............













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As the Follow Up evolved, each period show cased the "flavor of the month" program, so reading ALL of them will just serve to confuse you as the FU went from Phase III, Kgen, Engen, Energy, Thoromation, Fractals, Quad rator, Synthesis, Validator.........

Might be better to just find Brohamer and let the basics come from him EXCEPT he does not define racing styles on % median but POSITIONALLY.

Patrick

If you are serious about learning/understanding the Methodology/Software/Concepts on this site it is my strongest feedback to you that you commit to it EXCLUSIVELY for whatever time frame you have set up mentally ok?

If you mix in 2 different schools of thought/programs you are shortchanging both yourself and the folks who sincerely want to help you.

I wish you the very best of luck/skill in your work and travels :)

Patrick

The best advice I can give you is to listen to Ted, Bil V and Richie P. and the others. What they tell you is the truth. There are no shortcuts. There are things you will try that later you will ask yourself why you did that, But that is part of the learning process. You have to try them to know for yourself that they will or won't work for you.
There is no fast way to learn. Just keep reading and listening and applying what you learn .

Next year (yes year) you will look back on things that seemed confusing now and know what they mean, and how to use them and say to yourself 'Look how I've progressed.' I didn't know what that meant a year ago and now it's part of me.

That's the way it works. Keep plugging away. It will come.

Barb

Patrick,

When I was a kid, someone (who shall remain nameless ;) ) forced me (lovingly encouraged me) to practice the piano, practice scales, scales, scales, exercises, and play a thousand tunes old and new. Now I can play the piano, appreciate classical and modern music and compose it myself, perhaps not half badly.

Work 1000 races with Methodology tools. Work at least 100 races with records on what you did in each one and how you did in 20 race batches before betting a dime. Seriously, that's how it works. Tim's advice is not half bad: read (again) Brohamer's book and Pace Makes the Race. Read Follow Ups 70 - 88 (forget about the earlier ones for now). That will do you. Watch all the videos which are posted.

By your enthusiasm and demonstrable love of learning, prove yourself an interesting person such that when you see someone posting here whose demeanour and success you respect, approach them (e.g. by Private Message) and offer them the gift of them being a teacher to you for just 1 hour, over the phone, working the same race or two, looking at principles, techniques, maximize that precious time (and if they choose to renew that, then allow them). If the person you approach doesn't have time, or is shy, or dubious, thank them and move on. I know Doc did that (telephone and in-person consultation/mentoring sessions), Jim Bradshaw did that, as did many teaching members - it's a difficult thing.

Your passion, properly harnessed, can result in a changed life, in that, mastery in such a difficult and sublime game as this does not come independently of mastery of your own life. If you wish, you can even make a steady income. Then you can mentor others. This will change your life. So it goes...

All the best,

Ted

Patrick,

Please take the above advice from Richie serious. HSH and RDSS are very different programs that approach the races from very different perspectives. If you try to mix the two, I will almost guarantee you will not be successful.

If you are really committed to learning the Sartin methods and how to apply them to Sartin programs, there are some excellent teachers on this site that will bend over backwards to help you if you are truly committed to learning.

Jim

ENERGY DISTRIBUTION. It is all about understanding a way of evaluating PERFORMERS by looking at distinct PERFORMANCES and see how each horse reacts to whatever pace stresses put upon it. Too many people simply rely on a single performance to tell them all about the performer forgetting that sample error has a nasty habit of skewing that understanding.

BEWARE slow early paces in making a horse look far better than it really is. If a horse runs just about all races as a presser and then gets a higher speed rating with a single LATE performance, MOST OF THE TIME, that one was a beneficiary of a slow early pace.

See all the love here, it is truly amazing, and yes Richie i agree with you , one thing at a time, as I have stopped my downloads for HSH and will concentrate here with RDSS and the methods here.

I will do the video's , but have had trouble already with a few of them not playing properly, something about the CODEC not installed, but I will google that and see what I can do to fix it, I'm getting better trying that, but then sometimes I really mess things up more too, but lets think positive, for me.


Lately I have been having reading issues and have not been able to read much and or , how do I say this, enjoy/comprehend/see the words and writing, as they seem like I can not make out what I need, and then wham I can, so patience will be needed, please, I will get to what I need, which reminds me about asking the desired order again.

The yellow book ---- 1st read

Follow-ups 70-88 ------- the 2nd things to read

And this is where I have no idea what else to read, except the 2 books

Brohamer's book--which is what , please

Pace makes the Race

Are these required too, I would think yes they are, any one know if they been made into audio books??? I sure hope so, most likely not though.


Believe me when I say this , that learrning this is fun and enjoyable for me and taking one step at a time is fine by me, but I do tend to catch on quickly and may get ahead of myself at times, and may be reminded of that too, it is a bad habit of mine that I am working on, really I am, that is why I mention it here and now, Patience and Passion, are hard to control with me, but discipline will help me keep them under control, and time willing I will aquire the required Discipline, in a few areas, that are not limited to wagering decisions, record keeping, and sometimes studying skills, for this reason , I would ask for patience and understanding with me please, not coddling, just I don't know patience I guess, thanks.


I am an self-educated truck driver, not a schooled, (college educated) , nor have I held a physicist , or a mathematician, or anyhting close to one, just an old time truck driver, tyring to learn computers and handicapping and at times very very slowly, and then I get these bursts of accomplishments, and I think I am on top of the world, so when I am stumbling and a grumbling loudly, I apologize now for that, and when I hit that high, again I ask forgiveness for shouting out loud my success, like , well you'll see as I progress and hopefully I will be better restrained in my expressions of thanks and appreciation.


There it is ME, all laid out no hidden agenda's, no lies, no misconceptions, just the bare honest truth, I hope we can still proceed forward and as Ted stated let it change my life and someday I can mentor others, and do it with a smile too.

Thank you all

Patrick

Modern Pace Handicapping by Brohamer

Amazon Hanicapping Books
 

Patrick; Pace Makes The Race by Tom Hambleton and Modern Pace Handicapping by Tom Brohamer are both available at Amazon.

Link follows:

http://www.amazon.com/Pace-makes-rac...ef=pd_sim_b_37