Derby win/place horses
 

Here are the "looks" of each Derby's win/place horse's last 3 races

1999:
Winner - Charismatic
Place - Menifee

Charismatic, $64.60 straight, $27.80 place, $14.40 show;
Menifee, $8.40 place, $5.80 show;

2000:

Winner - Fusaichi Pegasus
Place - Aptitude

Fusaichi Pegasus, $6.60 straight, $5.60 place, $4.40 show

2001:

Winner - Monarchos
Place - Invisible Ink

Monarchos, $23.00 straight, $11.80 place, $8.80 show
Invisible Ink, $46.60 place, $21.20 show;

2002:

Winner - War Emblem
Place - Proud Citizen

War Emblem, $43.00 straight, $22.80 place, $13.60 show
Proud Citizen, $24.60 place, $13.40 show

2003:

Winner - Funny Cide
Place - Empire Maker

Funny Cide, $27.60 straight, $12.40 place, $8.20 show
Empire Maker, $5.80 place, $4.40 show

2004:

Winner - Smarty Jones
Place - Lion Heart

Smarty Jones, $10.20 straight, $6.20 place, $4.80 show
Lion Heart, $8.20 place, $5.80 show

2005:

Winner - Giacomo
Place - Closing Argument

Giacomo, $102.60 straight, $45.80 place, $19.80 show
Closing Argument, $70.00 place, $24.80 show

2006:

Winner - Barbaro (R.I.P.)
Place - Bluegrass Cat

Barbaro, $14.20 straight, $8.00 place, $6.00 show
Bluegrass Cat, $28.40 place, $15.40 show

2007:

Winner - Street Sense
Place - Hard Spun

Street Sense, $11.80 straight, $6.40 place, $4.60 show
Hard Spun, $9.80 place, $7.00 show

2008:

:)

Thanks much Rich - very clearly shown. I still have to take a look at the match up this year, but Doc's mantra for the Derby and CD at the distance was Sustained and that's what the Engen shows for the winners - S for most winners in their last race (Street Sense actually showed Late).

Looks like Med E% of 66.9 to 67.9 is a good parameter, though Street Sense was way off that range but I'm wondering if that was the first year of KEE poly? That Med E% range may have to be lowered substantially for all the poly preps out there and we now have to strongly consider LATE Engen styles if off a poly line.

Take the AVERAGE of the last three medians and make sure they are NOT going UP.

derby
 

richiep, great work! and after viewing, i was thinking what dinner this spring.
i'm sure you are preparing some tomatos, basil, maybe some "spring" vege with penne, and of course garlic, for penne primavera. so after you uncork the pino'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A3zetSuYRg

ps those women, like feathers

I can see clearly now
 

Thanks Rich

Its true look at the esp for the winners

I'm looking at the win and place horse from the major preps
who run with Other than early

Sus S/P and Late

wow Rich Your post brings each derby memories to life
Thank you for your work up

You have to look deeper than that. Many Derby winners ran third in their last prep.

Derby
 

Hi Tim
You are correct ITs best to use anthing close up in the
major preps

Actually I have never really been into the derby
as for as making bets

I think I have only made real bets with

Morachoes
Steet sense
Giacomo
- small $2wps bet as I was leaving the track
( what the heck :) )

And oh yeah some horse from Philly
SMARTY JONES !!!! I still have my uncashed Ticket !!!!!

But anyway I do what Doc suggest
Take the win / place or close up finishers horses from the major preps
and that run
SUS S/P and Late

Derby Winner 2008.
Times they are a changing

Center
 

Yes Rich

Look at that the center line buck

0.0 E/L Pres Esp
ok well back to the lakes and philly