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shoeless 08-24-2017 10:02 PM

FTL Paceline selection ?
 
FTL

In order what are the 5 most important things you do
when you are picking pace lines

Jeff

Jeebs 08-24-2017 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shoeless (Post 111421)
FTL

In order what are the 5 most important things you do
when you are picking pace lines

Jeff

Jeff, here is an excerpt from a PM that FTL sent me several months ago. This should shed light on your question. Good luck!

Quote:

I suggest you change the way you approach a race to the following.
1 – if you want to take my advice, throw out any horse that has not run in the last 90 days. Those horses win 5% or less of the races.
Then, throw out any horse with a ML of 20/1 or greater. Again, those horses win 5% or less of the races.
2 – read the conditions
3 – select a line for each horse that has a qualifying race, i.e.
a – last line is a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd (a “+” race) and is the same distance, surface or
b – last line the horse was 1st or close 2nd at the first and/or second call (a “(+)” race) even if it faded in the stretch and is the same distance, surface
c - last line the horse made up lengths between first call and second call to be within 2 lengths of the leader at the second call (a “(+)” race) even if it faded in the stretch and is the same distance, surface
In its’ last race, if a horse ran a “0” race and the race was the same distance, surface and similar class level and there was no “valid” reason for the bad effort, eliminate the horse from further consideration. A “valid” reason would be “trouble or off track”.
If in its’ last race the horse ran the wrong distance, wrong surface, higher class level, had trouble or on an OFF track, go back to the next line and follow the same guidelines.
In my own work I would not use a line that is more than 90 days old “IF” I legitimately got back that far. 90 days gives the horse many races to look at. That’s one race every 18 days. If the horse isn’t sound enough to keep that kind of schedule then there is probably something wrong with the horse.
NEVER USE a sprint line in a route race.
NEVER USE a route line in a sprint race.

Once contenders and lines have been selected, look first at the “original” screen. It is on this screen that you can see the different running styles. It is on this screen that you can see the class levels they were able to successfully (in one form or another) race at and compare those class levels to today’s. It is on this screen where you can see the mixture of running styles in the race, which will give you a better idea of how the race will unfold.

dlivery 08-25-2017 05:36 PM

Nice to get back to where it all starts Basics 1,2,3
 
Thanks for the reminder of what and where we need too draw a line through
This is such a good remider of what we all need to do are read the conditions
or when the conditions are starting to get muddy and not clear
I would pass the race as I m not sure where to look for a winner when it starts to get unclear

Next Race

As Bill V would say onward and forward and good skill. :1a:

Lt1 08-25-2017 07:29 PM

For those who maybe having problems with paceline selection may I suggest reading Follow Up 81 the publishers section where Doc explains the modern day Methodology approach. Also go to the video section and watch the Docs'1998 one on one video seminar consisting of 3 vids and a carefully explained step by step approach. It should answer most the questions you may have.
Tim

Lt1 08-25-2017 09:56 PM

Another excellent source to check out are the Brohamer audio tapes. Tom provides his method of contender & paceline selections.
Tim

For The Lead 08-30-2017 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shoeless (Post 111421)
FTL

In order what are the 5 most important things you do
when you are picking pace lines

Jeff

Shoeless,

Although Jeebs answered your question directed to me, for me, let me offer this; go to this link http://paceandcap.com/forums/forumdi...116&order=desc where you will find races I posted that start at the beginning and go to the end, including a rundown on each horse. As I recall, you will also find the PP’s for every horse in the race so you can look at them and follow along. You will probably need to go back to page 3 or 4 pages since it has been 3 or 4 years since I posted on a regular basis. Just find my posts and read through them. They are all done the same way so it should be easy for you to follow.

Now, I have a question for you.
I seem to recall that in a post I read somewhere, you use ENERGY.
There is more than one ENERGY program. Which one do you use? The one WITH BL/BL or the one WITHOUT?

shoeless 09-01-2017 11:51 PM

Hi FTL

Thanks for the link

I am using the one without, pretty sure it is Energy V

I did not realize they had one with it

Jeff

For The Lead 09-02-2017 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shoeless (Post 111560)
Hi FTL

Thanks for the link

I am using the one without, pretty sure it is Energy V

I did not realize they had one with it

Jeff

When I load ENERGY, here is the first screen that comes up.
There is no BL/BL, no line score (LS) and no thoromation.
When I get a couple of minutes I'll put up a recent race for you.

Bill V. 09-02-2017 09:47 AM

Energy
 
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FTL I am Looking forward to your race demo

Jeff is a very good user of Energy He sends me good reports
all the time,

Jeff and FTL There are many versions of energy floating around
Just because your main menu screen might look the same,
Jim Bradshaw was always tweaking the program adding new readouts or
changing the algorithms.
He also would make custom copies, That is why some people have energy
in a 3 call format where the entry screen looked like this


Attachment 44136

Most copies use the 4 call format

i have a version called EXDC. It has just about every thing Energy, Phase 1, Entropy ,Thromation and an odds line generator

Jim Bradshaw just kept adding readouts and combining programs if a client wanted it.

Energy and KGEN were awesome programs

Bill

shoeless 09-02-2017 11:28 AM

FTL and Bill

I am using the 3 call version and the opening screen looks the same

FTL I as well would be interested to see how you go about using the
energy program if you wouldn't mind doing so.

Jeff


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