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Jeebs 04-07-2017 10:17 AM

Boutique Meets - Best approach?
 
Keeneland starts up today. Shippers from all over the place descend upon Lexington for the next 3 weeks. Even with a consistent paceline/contender procedure, is it even worth following/selecting/betting considering all the variables at play?

Lt1 04-07-2017 11:02 AM

Although I don't like these boutique meets when and if I decide to play there I just stick to my way of capping for any race. You must be consistent in your approach. In this case I do have a model from last yr, so even though I know it may not reflect what will happen this yr, it is a starting point. I have found that when tracks only run short meets my models do tend to hold up from the previous yr. I will however start with smaller bets until I get a handle on what's happening now.
Tim G

mick 04-07-2017 11:57 AM

Years ago, Dr. Bill Quirin wrote, "The universal track bias is early speed." That's especially true of the Keeneland dirt. Sustained horses seldom get up. In that regard, it's like a West Coast track but with full fields. ;)

Bill V. 04-07-2017 12:23 PM

Funny
 
Funny story , one of the guys I hang with at Del Mar makes his living signing tickets
He is a lousy handicapper , but everybody wants him in the group for some reason wink ,

Anyway last year opening day or weekend he asks me for my selections
for a pick 3

We hit the first leg with a big long shot but it was not one of my selections
Anyway we hit the pick 3 it paid like 700 I never made another bet there
Got out on top :-)

DOC loved the placed, And Ihave have visited it but they were not running live at the time. It is a beautiful place .

mick 04-07-2017 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill V. (Post 109432)
Funny story , one of the guys I hang with at Del Mar makes his living signing tickets
He is a lousy handicapper , but everybody wants him in the group for some reason wink ,

Anyway last year opening day or weekend he asks me for my selections
for a pick 3

We hit the first leg with a big long shot but it was not one of my selections
Anyway we hit the pick 3 it paid like 700 I never made another bet there
Got out on top :-)

DOC loved the placed, And Ihave have visited it but they were not running live at the time. It is a beautiful place .

Bill,

Speaking of Del Mar, that's next on my list. Woodbine last year, Saratoga this year, and Del Mar next year. (After 20+ years on the bench, I can't tell you how much I love retirement.)

mick 04-07-2017 12:58 PM

Keeneland 2nd race
 
Jeebs,

Keeneland's 2nd race today might be informative. #2 "Rhodium" is an E8 with a 3-point speed advantage over #1 (P5) and a 5-point advantage over #3 (EP3). My Segments screen shows #2 with a two-length lead at the second call, but getting caught by #1 in the third fraction and losing by more than a length.

#2 is shipping from Oaklawn, dropping from an OC40K/n2x, and has a decent gate jockey in Rafael Hernandez. It will be interesting to see how far she can go. In years past, a mare with those credentials would take the early lead and keep right on going, winning by opening lengths. We'll see. I don't think there's any value in this race, so I won't be betting. But watching can be good, too.

Jeebs 04-07-2017 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 109434)
Jeebs,

Keeneland's 2nd race today might be informative. #2 "Rhodium" is an E8 with a 3-point speed advantage over #1 (P5) and a 5-point advantage over #3 (EP3). My Segments screen shows #2 with a two-length lead at the second call, but getting caught by #1 in the third fraction and losing by more than a length.

#2 is shipping from Oaklawn, dropping from an OC40K/n2x, and has a decent gate jockey in Rafael Hernandez. It will be interesting to see how far she can go. In years past, a mare with those credentials would take the early lead and keep right on going, winning by opening lengths. We'll see. I don't think there's any value in this race, so I won't be betting. But watching can be good, too.

Let me run this race real quick.

mick 04-07-2017 02:08 PM

So, two races into the meet and favorites on the lead have won easily. Frankly, that could happen at most tracks. Now, we look for a non-favorite on the lead and see how far he can go.

Jeebs 04-08-2017 05:54 PM

Bombs away...
 
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A big thanks to Mick... this just happened...

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That, is what we refer to in NY, as a BANG!

mick 04-08-2017 08:40 PM

Congratulations, Jeebs!
 
Jeebs, that's GREAT! We call that a BOMB in Kentucky, but we understand BANG, too.

And in the very next race, the Blue Grass, Irap, a maiden, never more than half a length off the lead, wins and pays $64.60.

I had neither but I'm glad you had one of them.

I didn't attend the Breeders' Cup at Keeneland, but today was as crowded as I have ever seen the place. I'm back at the hotel now, looking forward to a good night's sleep. And tomorrow, I get to do it again, but with a lot fewer people there.

Congratulations! :D


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