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Lt1 11-20-2017 05:59 PM

Balance Numbers
 
Over the years Doc and others reminded us that horses that have a balance over8 are not likely to win. Here again I did a survey of 100 races based on my contender/pace line selections and the results are as follows.

Races winner with larger the 8 balance
100 12

Pretty much confirms what Doc stated. 9 of the 12 winners were in turf rces.
Tim

Mitch44 11-20-2017 10:20 PM

Another great survey Tim. Those balanced numbers keep you off one run closers and false early horses that can't put together two good Fr's.
They can definitely can narrow a field.
Nice work Tim.
Mitch44

Lt1 11-21-2017 10:31 AM

Thanks Mitch. It just amazes me how many of the Docs' guidelines and missives still work today. For that matter a lot of older stuff from other authors such as Scott, The Dean Tom Ainsle still are valid and work today. In fact I use Scotts' form factors to upgrade or downgrade contenders. I made a few adjustment to adjust for todays racing.
TIM

fastcharlie55 11-22-2017 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lt1 (Post 113112)
Over the years Doc and others reminded us that horses that have a balance over8 are not likely to win. Here again I did a survey of 100 races based on my contender/pace line selections and the results are as follows.

Races winner with larger the 8 balance
100 12

Pretty much confirms what Doc stated. 9 of the 12 winners were in turf rces.
Tim

Not sure how you use the balance number?

Lt1 11-22-2017 04:27 PM

Hi Charlie. As far as the balance numbers I look at them last and if a horse has a balance over 8 I downgrade it. I have found most of the horses with balances over 8 are usually not in my top 4 anyway, but if it is I would move it to #5, unless the 5th tiered horse is saddled with form defects in which case I leave it 4th but it would not be a win bet for me.
Tim

mowens33 11-22-2017 10:35 PM

Tim, it's a great tool to eliminate horse that can't win.

I use it religiously.

Great Post!:)

Mike

fastcharlie55 11-22-2017 11:26 PM

Thank you
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lt1 (Post 113125)
Hi Charlie. As far as the balance numbers I look at them last and if a horse has a balance over 8 I downgrade it. I have found most of the horses with balances over 8 are usually not in my top 4 anyway, but if it is I would move it to #5, unless the 5th tiered horse is saddled
with form defects in which case I leave it 4th but it would not be a win bet for me.
Tim

I really appreciate your help. I go a long way back with Sartin and have returned to my roots. Doing quite well with the software, but nothing replaces a clear understanding of the total handicapping process.

Again thank you for all your help.

Lt1 11-23-2017 07:50 AM

Your welcome Charlie and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Tim

Lt1 11-23-2017 07:56 AM

Mike you are correct it is a wonderful tool in the final elimination process. I save it for last since I move or eliminate horses on other factors first and when doing that the balance numbers may change depending on horses you eliminate. Wishing your and your family a Happy Thanksgiving.
Tim

mowens33 11-23-2017 10:33 AM

Tim looks like were on the same page, I save it for last also.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Mike

P.S. Happy Thanksgiving for all who celebrate at Pace and Cap!!


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