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Mitch44 · 11-20-2019, 11:42 AM

Benter isn't the only one to beat this game. Back in the 1930 -1940 etc . no one kept track of consistency, The Speed boys also beat it by keeping their own records and only betting horses that could hold their speed all the way to the wire. This also was a favorite play for "The Hat" Jimmy Bradshaw. Fabricand did his study on the collective ability of the public (brain storming) which was a huge part of the Benter approach. Also Dr Z beat it with a sophisticated dutching approach, also with a class calculator called the Kelco class calculator the game was beaten.

The one thing they all seam to have in common was they did their own studies and kept records to find edges over the public. The game can be beaten and will be in the future.

The game evolves and once things are out in the public domain the edge ceases to exists or greatly decreases. Anything can win a race but consistently to beat the game and capitalize over the public is difficult at best but not impossible.

Everyone now a days use consistency, speed, etc. so they still win but the price is greatly reduced and its very difficult. Pace brought about by Sartin still wins but the average price of winners has dropped considerably since the early 90's. Everyone talks about Pace today along with ESP styles etc. The Kelco class calculator was destroyed by State bred races and paying (earnings) to horses that finish 4th or worse. The Dr Z approach is devastated by simulcasting and late money coming in, making it very difficult to know the actual odds to place the correct bet.

Once its out there the game changes and survives in one way or another.Those that think giving something away doesn't have an effect on the game are fools as their bottom line will dwindle.

While many of these proven concepts such as Pace etc. still win the edge goes to those that really study it to become an expert with it and have the discipline to manage money properly.

To win and get an edge do your own studies and keep your findings to yourself. Racing is fraught with false statistical data but most are too lazy to exploit it as their more into instant gratification and aren't about to do any work, give them a black box approach and their happy.

Mitch44

11-20-2019, 11:42 AM	#3
Mitch44 Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: The Villages, Fl. Posts: 3,872	Benter isn't the only one to beat this game. Back in the 1930 -1940 etc . no one kept track of consistency, The Speed boys also beat it by keeping their own records and only betting horses that could hold their speed all the way to the wire. This also was a favorite play for "The Hat" Jimmy Bradshaw. Fabricand did his study on the collective ability of the public (brain storming) which was a huge part of the Benter approach. Also Dr Z beat it with a sophisticated dutching approach, also with a class calculator called the Kelco class calculator the game was beaten. The one thing they all seam to have in common was they did their own studies and kept records to find edges over the public. The game can be beaten and will be in the future. The game evolves and once things are out in the public domain the edge ceases to exists or greatly decreases. Anything can win a race but consistently to beat the game and capitalize over the public is difficult at best but not impossible. Everyone now a days use consistency, speed, etc. so they still win but the price is greatly reduced and its very difficult. Pace brought about by Sartin still wins but the average price of winners has dropped considerably since the early 90's. Everyone talks about Pace today along with ESP styles etc. The Kelco class calculator was destroyed by State bred races and paying (earnings) to horses that finish 4th or worse. The Dr Z approach is devastated by simulcasting and late money coming in, making it very difficult to know the actual odds to place the correct bet. Once its out there the game changes and survives in one way or another.Those that think giving something away doesn't have an effect on the game are fools as their bottom line will dwindle. While many of these proven concepts such as Pace etc. still win the edge goes to those that really study it to become an expert with it and have the discipline to manage money properly. To win and get an edge do your own studies and keep your findings to yourself. Racing is fraught with false statistical data but most are too lazy to exploit it as their more into instant gratification and aren't about to do any work, give them a black box approach and their happy. Mitch44 Last edited by Mitch44; 11-20-2019 at 11:46 AM.