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Lt1 · 03-13-2021, 09:52 PM

Interesting. I just happened to listen to the Docs' 3 part videoseries[1998 in the library.] and on tape 3 #7[4] the Doc talks about this. He states that James Quinn had stated that not even a select group of handicappers such as Dowst, Col Bradley, Beyer ,Ainsle Talbort, Mahl ,Daivdowitz, plus the top 2 or 3 cappers of a circuit could NOT outperform the general public. The Docs'[also Ainsle] answer was baloney. Doc stated that if a professional handicapper couldn't outperform the public then they shouldn't call the selves a handicapper. Doc then states he offered a wager to Quinn that he[Doc] could
outperform the public. When asked how he would do that Doc simply stated that he would beat them at betting the routine run of the mill races and when races with FTS or Foreign horses were involved he simply would bet the crowd favorites thus staying even with them. The answer he got was well you have to do that for the rest of your life. When Doc asked why the answer was because that's what the public does. Needless to say the bet was never made so we will never know what would have happened. Docs' final words on the subject was that statements like this made by experts destroys the confidence of handicappers. So if the Doc and the dean of North American handicapping believed it could be done then that's good enough to give me the confidence that it can be done..
Tim

03-13-2021, 09:52 PM	#4
Lt1 Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Valley Stream NY Posts: 9,274	Interesting. I just happened to listen to the Docs' 3 part videoseries[1998 in the library.] and on tape 3 #7[4] the Doc talks about this. He states that James Quinn had stated that not even a select group of handicappers such as Dowst, Col Bradley, Beyer ,Ainsle Talbort, Mahl ,Daivdowitz, plus the top 2 or 3 cappers of a circuit could NOT outperform the general public. The Docs'[also Ainsle] answer was baloney. Doc stated that if a professional handicapper couldn't outperform the public then they shouldn't call the selves a handicapper. Doc then states he offered a wager to Quinn that he[Doc] could outperform the public. When asked how he would do that Doc simply stated that he would beat them at betting the routine run of the mill races and when races with FTS or Foreign horses were involved he simply would bet the crowd favorites thus staying even with them. The answer he got was well you have to do that for the rest of your life. When Doc asked why the answer was because that's what the public does. Needless to say the bet was never made so we will never know what would have happened. Docs' final words on the subject was that statements like this made by experts destroys the confidence of handicappers. So if the Doc and the dean of North American handicapping believed it could be done then that's good enough to give me the confidence that it can be done.. Tim __________________ Trust but verify Last edited by Lt1; 03-13-2021 at 09:56 PM.