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Originally Posted by Charlie D
These type of discussion make a forum and make it one worth logging onto, i reckon
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I suppose. Everyone has their own reasons.
I come here for the MatchUp and proven tools and solutions to help understand things better, do things easier, to improve.
Debate nowadays, is really a waste of time and effort.
We can each provide experts day and night on opposite opinions, so what is the point?
I just want the truth, and what works, day in , day out.
The source does not matter, if even I find them offensive, if its the truth and works in the real world daily, I'm in.
Debate , arguements are going to be a dinasaur, eventually, as the years progress.
If I want to learn and improve a discipline, why would I offer resistance, especially if said art is proven daily?
Unless I show daily results of my point of contention, whats the point? Am I here to argue, to find holes, or am I here to get something positive and enhance what I already have success at.
I tell ya, if I had more things workin, more truth, I would not be wasting time convincing anyone of anything, its ultimately a waste of time. Even typing this , wasting time, shows I don't have all the holes in my boat filled.
Waste time convincing someone that does not want to buy, or better time and energy improving one's self and getting to higher levels of achievement, living, truth, and discovery. Figuring out solutions to daily problems, wasting time convincing and whining to people who may really just want to saber rally as a hobby.
Better more productive ways to use time, which could get you closer to your dreams, nobodys getting any younger and we are playing "beat the clock".....if I am on a boat, just got out the storm drenched sea, and tried to pull some else up or at least threw down a rope and they threw the rope back at me or fighting me so hard that they almost pull me off the boat back into danger, they have the right NOT to want to be saved, despite what they say that don't match their actions.
If a person hates brocolli, they hate brocolli. If a person likes smoking or being drunk, all the most powerful information and experts in the world ain't gonna get that person to change, in fact, he might know more than you of how detremental it is, but he likes what he likes, and only HE decides to change WHEN he decides, irregardless of the evidence.
You can spice up brocolli for the brocolli hater, put cheese on it, even if he decides to try it, he possibly may only tolerate it because of the fixins, but he still hates brocolli and would not venture on his own to pursue it.
And even after all that, you fix it up so that it is almost no longer brocolli, which defeats the purpose anyway, but becomes something else, less than 5% of brocolli and more fixins than anything else, he STILL only tolerates it for that moment after loads of sellsmanship on why he should try it, and still, he would not be convinced.
Most people are really not looking for anything at all, they just want to banter and feel secure in their set , finding negatives to any entity that expands them beyond their comfort zone, in fact, get very nasty and violent, which is why people take comfort in taking sides, teams if you will, republican, democrat, jewish, catholic, white, black, Dodgers, Yankees, gangs, etc.....usually unwilling to expand beyond their base, truth does not comform to what you want, but what is , yet to be discovered.
If you lived from the time of Adam till now, you still would be learning and not know all what there is yet to be learned and the science of understanding nature and its unlimited secrets, you would be truely humbled , by what there is yet to learn, what more you don't know, it is humbling, if one truely appreciates truth and its ever evolving clarity.
Nowadays, I just listen to people and don't offer any solutions if I had it because most people just want to talk. I knew a few people I talked to who told of some problems and contentions, and I KNEW for a certainty on some of these guys I had the answer for their troubles, but when it is offered or suggested, they give you a look and graze over the conversation like you said nothing at all as if to say, " Just shut up and listen to my pain, I don't want it solved" or " be my sounding board, someone I can dump on" but I REALLY don't want to solve or resolve anything, just take solace and amens that things are difficult and take comfort that someone is in the same club as me, the miserable club, comfort than I am not alone, thats all I need, no solution really needed.
That's why psychiatrist get paid the big bucks...., just sit there, let them babble, and say after every statement, " and how does that make you feel?"
Pay the receptionist on your way out, and here is another drug prescription.
Like the Jerry Springer audience, television viewers and participants, don't really want anything in particular, just like noise , drama, gossip and craziness just for the sake and excuse that something is happening, and feel better about themselves because someone is either worse off than they are or swimming in the mud with them.
Others may like what they like, I like conversation that helps me learn, not argue. If I had a question, I would venture to ask what test proves something rather than make a definative statement as a point of contention and disagreement.....If there were a point of contention, simply test yours and his in the real world, in a fair experiment and field test, and let nature tell you what works, if you really want the truth....if you want something else, then thats what you want.
That's one reason I like what the UFC has brought to the table.
A person can show clips of him demonstrating and sparring IN A GYM very pretty techniques, good ,crisp timing , powerful looking demonstrations of his ability, telling of his years of study and all his certificates ,teaching creditials and degrees of mastery in the art, but when put in a street fight with no rules, which is supposed to be the purpose of him training and preparing anyway, all his training is found to be mostly un-useful and wanting, and he ends up fighting like someone with no training and experience at all , and ends up looking like his sister in fighting techniques.
Say how good you are, say how smart you are, say , argue, debate ,etc. thats some peoples hobby, arm chair academia, I say sail the ocean and prove the world is not flat......how did those scholars and scientist feel when he proved them wrong?
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