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Ted Craven · 04-03-2010, 01:07 PM

Regarding the use of Result Chart information versus/in conjunction with Past Performance style information - I have long dreamt of being able to look at a paceline and understand more about what happened in that race which lead to the particular result of the horse in question.

Today, for example using RDSS, we can see a portion of that race's matchup if there are a number of returning runners today (i.e. the Tandem screen). And if we have the Result Chart data plan, we can see the entire Chart of a given race (albeit not very elegantly, right now). Using this depiction of what happened in a past race, sometimes (not always) helps me understand more about why the horse performed as it did in that past race (e.g. 2 non-returning Earlies/fighters killed each other by the stretch call, while our returning horse stalked mid-pack and closed with 2nd best Late energy finishing behind the best Late horse, also not returning today). Perhaps some of the aforementioned scenario is evident by the single PP line of our horse today, but not as much. This is an example of having Results organized data as well as PP organized data. An abundance of other matchup scenarios (or setups, using TFM's parlance, and his great graphical visual representations of a Result Chart) become evident via Result Chart analysis, just for example: how much pressure did a horse face at the early points of call, killing his chances then but obscured from view in a typical PP data representation, but which he may not likely face today?

I'll agree that skilled matchup interpreters might combine multiple, repeated scenarios from a horse with 'good-enough' guestimates as to what happened in a given race, to know what the horse will do versus a different set of competitors today. But some method of knowing more about some of a horse's past race's matchups (i.e. knowing more dimensions to a PP line) could be an intriguing example of what else could be usable besides traditional PP data. (for example, what if we could have a bit of data which told about the mix of Early versus Other Than Early runners in a past race and to what extent these were returning today...)

Just ideas. And I agree, not necessarily on the topic of Major/Minor tracks, but following on the discussions of Charlie, FTL, Pino re Results oriented vs PP oriented data.

Ted

04-03-2010, 01:07 PM	#69
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,256	Regarding the use of Result Chart information versus/in conjunction with Past Performance style information - I have long dreamt of being able to look at a paceline and understand more about what happened in that race which lead to the particular result of the horse in question. Today, for example using RDSS, we can see a portion of that race's matchup if there are a number of returning runners today (i.e. the Tandem screen). And if we have the Result Chart data plan, we can see the entire Chart of a given race (albeit not very elegantly, right now). Using this depiction of what happened in a past race, sometimes (not always) helps me understand more about why the horse performed as it did in that past race (e.g. 2 non-returning Earlies/fighters killed each other by the stretch call, while our returning horse stalked mid-pack and closed with 2nd best Late energy finishing behind the best Late horse, also not returning today). Perhaps some of the aforementioned scenario is evident by the single PP line of our horse today, but not as much. This is an example of having Results organized data as well as PP organized data. An abundance of other matchup scenarios (or setups, using TFM's parlance, and his great graphical visual representations of a Result Chart) become evident via Result Chart analysis, just for example: how much pressure did a horse face at the early points of call, killing his chances then but obscured from view in a typical PP data representation, but which he may not likely face today? I'll agree that skilled matchup interpreters might combine multiple, repeated scenarios from a horse with 'good-enough' guestimates as to what happened in a given race, to know what the horse will do versus a different set of competitors today. But some method of knowing more about some of a horse's past race's matchups (i.e. knowing more dimensions to a PP line) could be an intriguing example of what else could be usable besides traditional PP data. (for example, what if we could have a bit of data which told about the mix of Early versus Other Than Early runners in a past race and to what extent these were returning today...) Just ideas. And I agree, not necessarily on the topic of Major/Minor tracks, but following on the discussions of Charlie, FTL, Pino re Results oriented vs PP oriented data. Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™