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GARY711 · 11-02-2011, 06:53 AM

[quote=mikesal57;74918]Welcome to the group Gary...

It would be nice to hear some stories from behind the scenes and know how the trainers think and convey their tactics to you

Through the years I've been associated in NJ with Kate Demasi,Harry
Benson,in NY with Linda Rice, Mike Hushion,Gary Gullo and Jeff Odintz.

All of these trainers were truly concerned with keeping their
horses sound and would not run and would avoid workouts
if the horse was unfit.

All of these trainers were quite knowledgeable about the condition book and where these horses belonged based on their physical condition.

With the exception of Linda, known of the others ventured into
pace or speed discussions,but all of them kept me in a relatively good
financial position at year end. For the record, Linda was quite knowledgeable about
the Condition book and the horse's chances based upon the
the shape of the field.We rarely discussed speed or pace #'s,but
did review the entries and their running styles.

I'm presently in Breeding mode, own a NY Bred Malibu Moon Broodmare
(unraced) who dropped a foal(filly) in early April.The sire
is Street Boss and she will carry the Badge of a NY Bred .
We rebred the Mare to Silent Name, a son of Sunday Silence
who is standing at McMahon Farms in NY(site of Funny Cide).

We are pointing the filly for the Saratoga NY 2 Year old Sales,
and based upon the her development may consider
racing her due to the elevated purse structure in NY which should
begin 1/1/2012.

Based upon discussions with other trainers in the past
(who represented some of my friends) trainers such as
Rick Violette, Joe Pierce Joe Imperio were asking me
about the horse's chances when I showed up with reams of paper etc
which I attribute as conversation rather than real interest.

Finally, the trainer's trump card is having
a keen sense of the horse's physical condition which we
can only guess about based upn w/o's energy levels,
speed/pace #'s etc..Those #'s can be distorted by a trainer
when they utilze the race for conditioning purposes,
which has never been openly discussed with the parties mentioned above.

This is one of the reasons I'm greatly interested in RDSS
with the hopes of drilling down to explore potential trainer
tactics based upon the pp's.

Best,

Gary

11-02-2011, 06:53 AM	#57
GARY711 AlwNW1X Join Date: May 2007 Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 6	Trainer Tactics [quote=mikesal57;74918]Welcome to the group Gary... It would be nice to hear some stories from behind the scenes and know how the trainers think and convey their tactics to you Through the years I've been associated in NJ with Kate Demasi,Harry Benson,in NY with Linda Rice, Mike Hushion,Gary Gullo and Jeff Odintz. All of these trainers were truly concerned with keeping their horses sound and would not run and would avoid workouts if the horse was unfit. All of these trainers were quite knowledgeable about the condition book and where these horses belonged based on their physical condition. With the exception of Linda, known of the others ventured into pace or speed discussions,but all of them kept me in a relatively good financial position at year end. For the record, Linda was quite knowledgeable about the Condition book and the horse's chances based upon the the shape of the field.We rarely discussed speed or pace #'s,but did review the entries and their running styles. I'm presently in Breeding mode, own a NY Bred Malibu Moon Broodmare (unraced) who dropped a foal(filly) in early April.The sire is Street Boss and she will carry the Badge of a NY Bred . We rebred the Mare to Silent Name, a son of Sunday Silence who is standing at McMahon Farms in NY(site of Funny Cide). We are pointing the filly for the Saratoga NY 2 Year old Sales, and based upon the her development may consider racing her due to the elevated purse structure in NY which should begin 1/1/2012. Based upon discussions with other trainers in the past (who represented some of my friends) trainers such as Rick Violette, Joe Pierce Joe Imperio were asking me about the horse's chances when I showed up with reams of paper etc which I attribute as conversation rather than real interest. Finally, the trainer's trump card is having a keen sense of the horse's physical condition which we can only guess about based upn w/o's energy levels, speed/pace #'s etc..Those #'s can be distorted by a trainer when they utilze the race for conditioning purposes, which has never been openly discussed with the parties mentioned above. This is one of the reasons I'm greatly interested in RDSS with the hopes of drilling down to explore potential trainer tactics based upon the pp's. Best, Gary Last edited by GARY711; 11-02-2011 at 07:01 AM.