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VoodooFan · 05-21-2006, 08:16 PM

Glad that the Master of the MatchUp is back. Everytime you speak on the matchup, I find something I did'nt know that I thought I understood. I have a few questions that can be answered now or whenever. 1)How is Doc Sartin, or what is the state of affairs when you talked/seen him last? 2)In a lecture you did, you said, "the MatchUp hasn't changed that much. But you added new teaching illustrations/wrinkles to understanding the matchup such as: 2a)Positions- Paceless race-Other-than-early horses that "Head" each other at the 2Call, setting up for a Sustained or Late to win the race. 2b)Positions-at 6 1/2f, an early horse breaks 1st or 2nd before getting the lead at the 1st quarter at 21.3......but two races at 6f, the horse breaks 4th to 5th positon before the the quarter, and doesn't get the lead at a 22. You concluded that this horse cant normally run a 21.3 AND needs a "boost" coming out of a chute. 2c)Postions-Other-than-early horses that need-the-lead at the 2nd call to win. 2d)Positions-Other-than-early horses that need-to-lead at the stretch to win the race. 2e)Positions-Horse A normally needs to sit about 3rd (1stcall,2ndcall????), the best he can get today is 6th; he needs to pass 3 horses to get his normal postion, which is going to cost him 3 units of energy at the end of the race. Are there any new wrinkles to the MatchUP???? From your recent example on this post, which I appreciate tremendously, I found I still did not understand ESP. To my understanding , you have Need-To-Lead early horses, EarlyPressers Type 1) will sit 2nd no matter what fraction: 2hd 2hd, 2nk 2nk, 2 1 1/2 2 1 1/2, 2 1/2 1hd, 2nk 1no, 2 1 1/2 1nk, etc., EarlyPresser Type 2) no less than 3rd: 3 1 1/2 2hd, 3hd 1hd, 3 1/2 2 1/2, etc., SustainedPresser:Any postion at 1st call within about 3 1/2 lengths, 2nd call position no less than 3rd within 1 length. Last question: I hope you will do another lecture. Joey Reay audio was great capturing hours of your lectures and a handful of sample races to follow. Anyone listening to these cannot help but be addicted to learning nothing but the MatchUp for thoroughbreds. If you have copies of other lectures, I hope you will make them available, or I could make copies of the maybe 3 to 6 hours of you lecturing on the matchup with about maybe about 5 races to follow along. I hope you continue preaching the "Gospel of VooDoo", Thanks for you post and the gentlemen that helped you.

05-21-2006, 08:16 PM	#6
VoodooFan True Disciple of Voodoo Join Date: May 2006 Location: EarthQuake country( cali , baby) Posts: 349	How is the Doc? Glad that the Master of the MatchUp is back. Everytime you speak on the matchup, I find something I did'nt know that I thought I understood. I have a few questions that can be answered now or whenever. 1)How is Doc Sartin, or what is the state of affairs when you talked/seen him last? 2)In a lecture you did, you said, "the MatchUp hasn't changed that much. But you added new teaching illustrations/wrinkles to understanding the matchup such as: 2a)Positions- Paceless race-Other-than-early horses that "Head" each other at the 2Call, setting up for a Sustained or Late to win the race. 2b)Positions-at 6 1/2f, an early horse breaks 1st or 2nd before getting the lead at the 1st quarter at 21.3......but two races at 6f, the horse breaks 4th to 5th positon before the the quarter, and doesn't get the lead at a 22. You concluded that this horse cant normally run a 21.3 AND needs a "boost" coming out of a chute. 2c)Postions-Other-than-early horses that need-the-lead at the 2nd call to win. 2d)Positions-Other-than-early horses that need-to-lead at the stretch to win the race. 2e)Positions-Horse A normally needs to sit about 3rd (1stcall,2ndcall????), the best he can get today is 6th; he needs to pass 3 horses to get his normal postion, which is going to cost him 3 units of energy at the end of the race. Are there any new wrinkles to the MatchUP???? From your recent example on this post, which I appreciate tremendously, I found I still did not understand ESP. To my understanding , you have Need-To-Lead early horses, EarlyPressers Type 1) will sit 2nd no matter what fraction: 2hd 2hd, 2nk 2nk, 2 1 1/2 2 1 1/2, 2 1/2 1hd, 2nk 1no, 2 1 1/2 1nk, etc., EarlyPresser Type 2) no less than 3rd: 3 1 1/2 2hd, 3hd 1hd, 3 1/2 2 1/2, etc., SustainedPresser:Any postion at 1st call within about 3 1/2 lengths, 2nd call position no less than 3rd within 1 length. Last question: I hope you will do another lecture. Joey Reay audio was great capturing hours of your lectures and a handful of sample races to follow. Anyone listening to these cannot help but be addicted to learning nothing but the MatchUp for thoroughbreds. If you have copies of other lectures, I hope you will make them available, or I could make copies of the maybe 3 to 6 hours of you lecturing on the matchup with about maybe about 5 races to follow along. I hope you continue preaching the "Gospel of VooDoo", Thanks for you post and the gentlemen that helped you.