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Mitch44 · 01-20-2016, 07:26 PM

My two cents on this is: CR over APV, APV at one time was the bomb however since then it has been destroyed by State bred races & their high payoffs, payoffs for finishing out of the money and high purses for cheap horses where casino gambling funds purses.

My experience is that CR also beats CSR and APV hands down. The biggest problem with CSR is that it doesn't consider surface, distance etc., to todays conditions therefore it distorts the rating. While the last race generally should be weighted more it also doesn't consider todays conditions and trainers that use the last race as a prep which destroys its effectiveness. Personally I would elimate it from the program however its not my choice or program. Also it doesn't consider all 3 Fr.'s as the Doc expounded on and only considers final time.

Ted is correct in that a player would be better off scratching from the worst BL/Bl and or V/DC. ( And or stick to the top 4 ) Primarily because it considers total pace( Which Doc said was a representation of class.) It also considers the match-up, surface & distance, and conditions of todays race. That is if you picked correct lines and don't buy into the false narrative of always using the last line which wasn't Doc's teachings.

One can't go far wrong with CR however and it should be inclusive but the top 4 BL/BL and V/DC is the best, and your answer. Ted is correct.
Best of luck,

Mitch 44

01-20-2016, 07:26 PM	#3
Mitch44 Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: The Villages, Fl. Posts: 3,705	My two cents on this is: CR over APV, APV at one time was the bomb however since then it has been destroyed by State bred races & their high payoffs, payoffs for finishing out of the money and high purses for cheap horses where casino gambling funds purses. My experience is that CR also beats CSR and APV hands down. The biggest problem with CSR is that it doesn't consider surface, distance etc., to todays conditions therefore it distorts the rating. While the last race generally should be weighted more it also doesn't consider todays conditions and trainers that use the last race as a prep which destroys its effectiveness. Personally I would elimate it from the program however its not my choice or program. Also it doesn't consider all 3 Fr.'s as the Doc expounded on and only considers final time. Ted is correct in that a player would be better off scratching from the worst BL/Bl and or V/DC. ( And or stick to the top 4 ) Primarily because it considers total pace( Which Doc said was a representation of class.) It also considers the match-up, surface & distance, and conditions of todays race. That is if you picked correct lines and don't buy into the false narrative of always using the last line which wasn't Doc's teachings. One can't go far wrong with CR however and it should be inclusive but the top 4 BL/BL and V/DC is the best, and your answer. Ted is correct. Best of luck, Mitch 44 Last edited by Mitch44; 01-20-2016 at 07:40 PM.