a radical proposal - Pace and Cap

tompkins · 10-14-2006, 02:58 PM

As one who usually goes against the grain making decisions on what the I FIND rather than listening to the crowd, I propose (from limited experience) that POLYTRACK is NOT going to do anything to bias except set up characteristic biases at the courses JUST THE WAY the old dirt courses did or continue to do. SO FAR, Keeneland has completley changed, but folks forget that not only was the surface changed, but the LAYOUT of the course and it some of the gradients in the old course were flattened.

Woodbine has not radically changed. In the big feature today the top two e/l horses ran 1 -3 just the same way as the course has always run. SO FAR, Polytrack is simply making each course distinct just like the dirt does.
4th race - Woodbine - October 14, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
3 Barracuda Boy 10.40 5.60 8.30
2 Sextet 13.60 18.00
4 Pellegrino (BRZ) 11.00

admin · 10-15-2006, 09:09 AM

Mr Tompkins

How are you coming up with the remark The top two
rated on the Late/Early

Issues

The winner of the race is # 3
ok you show two lines for this horse
Line1 for #3 shows a -4.0 late with a total energy of 162.1
which is ranked 7th and a little less than 7 points to
the #6 horse which your showing two lines for
One from line2 with a -16 late and 1 from line 3 with a 5 Early
each of these lines has a much higher total energy
figure than the winner
or the show horse # 4 and each line is very near the readouts
for the 4 and the 3 but these are much less supported by total energy

from what or were are you getting this statement
In the big feature today the top two e/l horses ran 1 -3 just the same way as the course has always run.

Please help me with this as it seems confusing to
the readers
Bill

tompkins · 10-15-2006, 01:59 PM

The total energy has NOTHING to do with the e/l relativity NOTHING....as again it hits as a splitzacta. It is simply Order within Chaos telling us the relative energy distributions of the horses in this field and has NOTHING to do with any other screen which would just confuse the issue. E/L relativity, at the courses where it works, is simple and a dynamite handicapping angle. It is still working well after 5 years since I discovered it. If folks want to use it, consider it, or pass on it, it is up to them.

This angle was substantiated after reading the great book BLINK by Malcolm Galdwell. People owe themselves the experience of his ideas on implicit understanding. They are universal.
2nd race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
7 And a Bump 12.90 5.70 3.30
2 Dancer's Flyer 8.80 4.90
1 Diamond Blues 2.50

$2 Triactor 7-2-1 241.30
$2 Daily Double 7-7 140.70
$2 Exactor 7-2 107.60

RichieP · 10-15-2006, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admin

Mr Tompkins

How are you coming up with the remark The top two
rated on the Late/Early

Issues

The winner of the race is # 3
ok you show two lines for this horse
Line1 for #3 shows a -4.0 late with a total energy of 162.1
which is ranked 7th and a little less than 7 points to
the #6 horse which your showing two lines for
One from line2 with a -16 late and 1 from line 3 with a 5 Early
each of these lines has a much higher total energy
figure than the winner
or the show horse # 4 and each line is very near the readouts
for the 4 and the 3 but these are much less supported by total energy

from what or were are you getting this statement
In the big feature today the top two e/l horses ran 1 -3 just the same way as the course has always run.

Please help me with this as it seems confusing to
the readers
Bill

looks like u entered a wrog line in this race the top 2 are the 4 and 6 -winner is ranked 3rd on the screen - think that is what is causing the confusion

not in any way meant to invalidate the angle - just not on the screen shown

check it out
hope all is well
Rich

tompkins · 10-15-2006, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admin

from what or were are you getting this statement
In the big feature today the top two e/l horses ran 1 -3 just the same way as the course has always run.

From MY studies of the energy distribtuion of winners, I have come to understand that a race is NOT all velocity and NOT all position (a la Brohammer) but somewhere in between.

From years of education one thing is clear: there are NO absolutes about anything. You have to look between the lines to find hidden order if it is there. I found it.

tompkins · 10-15-2006, 02:54 PM

4th race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
3 Count to Three 5.10 3.40 2.70
1 Culpeper Moon 7.40 3.80
4 Exit to Heaven 3.30

$2 Triactor 3-1-4 94.20
$2 Exactor 3-1 28.70

Order within chaos e/l relativity shows again at this race course. Two out of the highest three run 1-2.

tompkins · 10-15-2006, 03:02 PM

three of four races tells one that this order is there.
3rd race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
3 Sanibel Star 10.40 3.80 2.40
8 Poetic Fan 2.50 2.10
4 Not in My House 2.50

$2 Exactor 3-8 27.10

admin · 10-15-2006, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP

looks like u entered a wrog line in this race the top 2 are the 4 and 6 -winner is ranked 3rd on the screen - think that is what is causing the confusion

not in any way meant to invalidate the angle - just not on the screen shown

check it out
hope all is well
Rich

Thanks Rich
Nice Job Mr Tompkins, your angle looks very strong
again I was just speaking for the readers as we see something and you
said something else Just doing my job
Bill

Total energy Is very much a part of the E/L readout as it was developed by Doctor Sartin
Not the relativity you speak of
So I feel my opinion is just as valid as yours
Good Skill
Bill V

tompkins · 10-15-2006, 04:32 PM

You do what works even though it is not written down in some 10 year old magazine.

admin · 10-15-2006, 04:53 PM

Actually It was right from Doc's mouth

I was working a race with him on the phone
I missed a $31.00 winner, Doc asked me why I did not
bet It? I said because it was 19.5 on the E/L
He said with a bit of anger "What Is it's total Energy?"
I said 170 Ranked # 1 He said to use both readouts together
thats why they are on the screen

I hardly use the readout anymore
when I am using software I will glance at the screen and just look
for Counter energys or extream earlys or lates I can eliminate

But Your screen shots are impressive
wish you much success
Bill

10-14-2006, 02:58 PM	#1
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	a radical proposal As one who usually goes against the grain making decisions on what the I FIND rather than listening to the crowd, I propose (from limited experience) that POLYTRACK is NOT going to do anything to bias except set up characteristic biases at the courses JUST THE WAY the old dirt courses did or continue to do. SO FAR, Keeneland has completley changed, but folks forget that not only was the surface changed, but the LAYOUT of the course and it some of the gradients in the old course were flattened. Woodbine has not radically changed. In the big feature today the top two e/l horses ran 1 -3 just the same way as the course has always run. SO FAR, Polytrack is simply making each course distinct just like the dirt does. 4th race - Woodbine - October 14, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 3 Barracuda Boy 10.40 5.60 8.30 2 Sextet 13.60 18.00 4 Pellegrino (BRZ) 11.00 Attached Images __________________ velocititian Last edited by tompkins; 10-14-2006 at 03:06 PM.

10-15-2006, 09:09 AM	#2
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	question Mr Tompkins How are you coming up with the remark The top two rated on the Late/Early Issues The winner of the race is # 3 ok you show two lines for this horse Line1 for #3 shows a -4.0 late with a total energy of 162.1 which is ranked 7th and a little less than 7 points to the #6 horse which your showing two lines for One from line2 with a -16 late and 1 from line 3 with a 5 Early each of these lines has a much higher total energy figure than the winner or the show horse # 4 and each line is very near the readouts for the 4 and the 3 but these are much less supported by total energy from what or were are you getting this statement In the big feature today the top two e/l horses ran 1 -3 just the same way as the course has always run. Please help me with this as it seems confusing to the readers Bill

10-15-2006, 03:02 PM	#7
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	three of four races tells one that this order is there. 3rd race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 3 Sanibel Star 10.40 3.80 2.40 8 Poetic Fan 2.50 2.10 4 Not in My House 2.50 $2 Exactor 3-8 27.10 Attached Images __________________ velocititian

10-15-2006, 04:32 PM	#9
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	bottom line You do what works even though it is not written down in some 10 year old magazine. __________________ velocititian

10-15-2006, 04:53 PM	#10
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	E/l Actually It was right from Doc's mouth I was working a race with him on the phone I missed a $31.00 winner, Doc asked me why I did not bet It? I said because it was 19.5 on the E/L He said with a bit of anger "What Is it's total Energy?" I said 170 Ranked # 1 He said to use both readouts together thats why they are on the screen I hardly use the readout anymore when I am using software I will glance at the screen and just look for Counter energys or extream earlys or lates I can eliminate But Your screen shots are impressive wish you much success Bill

10-15-2006, 01:59 PM	#3
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	very simple The total energy has NOTHING to do with the e/l relativity NOTHING....as again it hits as a splitzacta. It is simply Order within Chaos telling us the relative energy distributions of the horses in this field and has NOTHING to do with any other screen which would just confuse the issue. E/L relativity, at the courses where it works, is simple and a dynamite handicapping angle. It is still working well after 5 years since I discovered it. If folks want to use it, consider it, or pass on it, it is up to them. This angle was substantiated after reading the great book BLINK by Malcolm Galdwell. People owe themselves the experience of his ideas on implicit understanding. They are universal. 2nd race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 7 And a Bump 12.90 5.70 3.30 2 Dancer's Flyer 8.80 4.90 1 Diamond Blues 2.50 $2 Triactor 7-2-1 241.30 $2 Daily Double 7-7 140.70 $2 Exactor 7-2 107.60 Attached Images __________________ velocititian Last edited by tompkins; 10-15-2006 at 02:07 PM.

10-15-2006, 02:54 PM	#6
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	4th race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 3 Count to Three 5.10 3.40 2.70 1 Culpeper Moon 7.40 3.80 4 Exit to Heaven 3.30 $2 Triactor 3-1-4 94.20 $2 Exactor 3-1 28.70 Order within chaos e/l relativity shows again at this race course. Two out of the highest three run 1-2. Attached Images __________________ velocititian