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08-05-2016, 05:06 AM | #41 |
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Thanks Bill for the reference, I knew it was somewhere. The "Doc" also said; "workouts are a secondary factor. " Frequency and time between workouts are far more predicative of winners than workouts times alone."
I've always remember the 55 FPS rule and have used it over the years. More important the horse itself has to be considered and the workout has to be put into context such as the # 8 here repeating a pattern. Trainers also repeat patterns E.g. Baffert always gives fast workouts. Some horses respond and some don't. You'll also see where trainers let off and give very slow workouts after a horse doesn't respond in races to fast workouts and that wakes them up. Connections definitely have an edge over us as to the actual condition of their horses as has always been the case, but there are opportunities to observe. Take note of changes. Mitch44 |
08-05-2016, 06:42 AM | #42 | |
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Bob Baffert
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Hi Mitch Here are Bob Bafferts 7 winners so far at the current Del Mar meet The workout ratings are all very high (bold face) The last workout before the race speed ratings are also fast The RDSS2.1 Notations are shown The workouts are evenly space, always with the -FPD. In 5 of the 7 races we see a 5f or 6f, In the 2 races that don't we see the SAR or "Sartin" Pattern , that means evenly spaced workouts at about 55 FPS Good Skill Bill V. |
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08-05-2016, 10:59 AM | #43 | |
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This race was a pass for me as stated above. Too tough. When I said the winner was un-gettable I should have added (for me the way I approach the Matchup). Yes there were little things that you could have seen here and there as many have pointed out but to walk that path before it was run.....????? Nobody mapped it out beforehand. Some did have him. Only Mitch gave any semblance as to why and it had nothing to do with what is being talked about here. Too bad you weren't able to cash on the 3. That was a good call and a good price. I am no Jim Bradshaw either but I am getting closer (sort of). Looking at all the lines, power-lines, from the bottom up, minds-eye etc...I am working it. It was an interesting race, Pook |
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08-05-2016, 11:11 AM | #44 |
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Great post Bill to verify another Sartin concept that still remains valid today and shed some some light on Baffert for RDSS followers.
For me anyway Baffert is notorious for fast works. But "Sartin" 2 patterns ( 55 and evenly spaced) cover most well intended horses and are a great asset for horses coming off layoffs. Players fail to realize that it takes a couple of months of training just to get a horse to the track, including those that finish last. These rules won't always apply 100% because some trainers deliberately work their horses slow. They don't believe in leaving their race on the training track in morning workouts and or they hide their moves within slower works. E.g. worked 5F but 2F were very fast and the other 3 were very slow. Ditto for a 6 F work w/ 3 fast & 3 slow. Great tools and I believe I first heard of the 55:00 at the Saratoga seminar in 1996 however it could have been when I purchased Pace Makes the Race a few years later. Good skill, Mitch44 |
08-05-2016, 11:12 AM | #45 | |
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Speaking of Bob Baffert - one angle I've a lot of success with him is to bet the longest odds horse of Baffert's uncoupled entries, i.e. American Cleopatra.
Dave, Thanks for posting the workouts, one’s thing is for sure, the horse was sound and in shape. Quote:
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08-05-2016, 11:23 AM | #46 |
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LT1 and I are also aware of that Baffert move delayjf with uncoupled entry's and take advantage of it when he comes East as I don't play California tracks that often.
Mitch44 |
08-05-2016, 12:10 PM | #47 |
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It's not only Baffert there are many trainers nation wide that do it. I was told about this many years agoby a former leading NY trainer. The trainer is telling you in most cases that he/she believes either of the 2 can win.
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