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Pace Makes the Race / TPR Discussion, Examples, Lessons from Total Pace Ratings (TPR) aka 'Phase I' from the book 'Pace Makes the Race'

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Old 12-22-2013, 11:55 PM   #121
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Some of the races I agree with and some I don't

The problem is If I say which line I would use, your just going to get others
to come on and tell you that they would use other lines, then you will get lots of
" there are more than one way to win " comments, and then you will be right back were you started from

What I'm trying to say is, Its up to you to decide what you want to do.
with your pace line selections,
Now some of the races I would chose the line you did for a reason of class
other races I would disagree with your choice based on form,
other races I would either agree or disagree based on statistic evidence.
What I'm trying to say is, I would say reread the pace line manual and all the post in this thread, then make your decisions based on if your winning or not.
and being consistent.

Hope this helps

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Old 12-23-2013, 10:53 AM   #122
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My view of the first example is that horse broke maiden in the slowest paced race of his life, must have been in a herd of snails. His last 2 races the nearest he got to the lead was in the gate. Drop him from W contention.

Too much to remember on the others, but the one called Silk Lace I like line 1 because IMO it more nearly fits today's conditions (I feel the other parts of the race are more important than difference between SA or O-Cl designation), is more recent, and because it is from PRX instead of Mth. I always view last out on this same track a positive for the entry.
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Old 12-26-2013, 03:38 PM   #123
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Just follow the guidelines

After several months of following the guide lines. The most important factor to consider is consistency of picking pace lines. I have notice in lot of my handicapping in the past has not been consisted in my approach to picking pace lines.
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Old 06-15-2014, 05:29 PM   #124
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the "guidelines" is good to follow if you are looking strictly for "winners" only, regardless of the 'class' type of the race. i would however, be interested if anyone has done an "ITM" stats study on this? cheerz
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Old 06-18-2014, 10:21 AM   #125
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Yes, I have. approximately 500 plus races from the following tracks, Bel, Aqu, Sar, Sa, Hol, Dmr, Gg, Gp, Fg, Cd, Kne. The win and exacta percentage for each pace line selection method of RDSS program.
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Old 06-18-2014, 10:48 AM   #126
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After several months of following the guide lines. The most important factor to consider is consistency of picking pace lines. I have notice in lot of my handicapping in the past has not been consisted in my approach to picking pace lines.
What is your approach to picking pace lines (if that is OK to ask)?
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:04 PM   #127
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What is your approach to picking pace lines (if that is OK to ask)?
Before using RDSS, I used the methodology from Michael Pizzolla's book, Handicapping Magic. This is a non-computerized method based on pace line selection. I found his methods to transfer well to RDSS.

Pizzolla's basic rule for pace line selection is to always use the most recent race unless there is a good reason not to. The major reasons include:

1. a negative layoff pattern

2. negative surface (e.g., turf vs. dirt, off track, etc.)

3. negative structure (e.g., sprint vs. route, 1 turn vs. 2 turn, etc.)

4. trouble line in last race

5. last race was at too high a class level, dropping back today

If there is a good reason not to use the most recent race, use the 2nd most recent. If there is a good reason not to use that race, go back another race. If there is a good reason not to use that race, the horse is probably a non-contender, unless it shows some class and is returning to conditions where it has won in the past.
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:06 PM   #128
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Looks a lot like the paceline manual.

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Old 06-18-2014, 03:13 PM   #129
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Same stuff. As I remember, Pizzolla was involved in writing that manual.
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:19 PM   #130
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Thank You

Thanks GFNut and MikeB
I think if you follow these guidelines and this thread pace line selection becomes very simple and effective.

I have RDSS set to pick the last . I then change the line if I have to.
When I use best of last 3 preceptor auto select
I often glanced up and said yeah but ...
and then use the last line anyway.

Either way is good but I find the last line and pace line manual guidelines to
be easy to follow and stay consistent. You must be consistent. It is critical if you have a profile and model
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