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Old 11-30-2012, 06:32 PM   #61
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Bill...


Thanks for your time in putting up the energy screen...

I was focusing on the energy % screen where #6 Stephen does indeed have a clear advantage over his closest rival at the second call and I also see that #1 Saturday dominates the First call..
Using Bradshaw's matchup, We can slow #6 Stephen second time by one tick and change his final time one tick faster...Then We might get him into the top two in rankings...

Thanks again, Bill
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:52 PM   #62
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Penn Race 5 November 30

$50 win # 6
$25 w/p # 2

Cl5000 FM3+

H1 EP3 4/13

H2 EP5 6/31
H3 EP4 NF 4/20
H4 EP2 4/23
H5 scratch
H6 E/EP5 13/57
H7 Scratch
H8 S1 5/45

F1 6 4 2
TT 4 2 6
EPR 6 2 4
FFR 4 6 2
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:59 PM   #63
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Nov 30 MNR race 6

I'm out of gas

"I got blisters on my fingers'

$70 win 9
$30 Place 8

My notes
Race 6 MNR 5.5 CL5000 Nw2 since Nov302011

H1 P3 No recent form 30/1 ML no line 6/70
H2 P2 Line 1 moves up after win 3/40
H3 P3 No line 3/12
H4 P1 No line 1/7
H5 P1 No line 4/46 20/1 Ml
H6 Early5 Line 1 7/77
H7 P3 form? 4/38
H8 Early8 NTL line 1 3/12 won last
H9 EP5 Line 1 3/12
H10 P4 Form question 3/31

F1= 8 10 2
TT= 6 9 8
EPR = 6. 8.9
FFR = 2 9 10

Just out of options
70 win 9
$30 place on 8
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:08 PM   #64
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Bill...


Thanks for your time in putting up the energy screen...

I was focusing on the energy % screen where #6 Stephen does indeed have a clear advantage over his closest rival at the second call and I also see that #1 Saturday dominates the First call..
Using Bradshaw's matchup, We can slow #6 Stephen second time by one tick and change his final time one tick faster...Then We might get him into the top two in rankings...

Thanks again, Bill
The #6 horse DOES NOT have a clear advantage at the "second call".
It does, however, have the best second fraction. There is a difference.

When you read the segments screen, you have to read two parts of it in concert with each other.
Let's take F1. It is straight forward, so no further explanation is required.

The second segment DOES NOT represent the "second call", it represents the "second fraction". To understand this, look at "Computerized Beaten Lengths", where it shows the #1 with the advantage at the second call, with the #6 in 4th position at that same point. However, the reason the #6 shows "best" on the segments screen, is because the segment represents the best second fraction horse, not best second call horse. The second segment is clearly labeled "F2" not 2nd call.

Further confirmation of the above is the FPS readout Bill provided. If you read the F1, F2 and SC ratings, this will show the same thing as the information on the "entire" segments screen.

Hope this clears things up for you.

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Old 11-30-2012, 09:10 PM   #65
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$50 win # 6
$25 w/p # 2

Cl5000 FM3+

H1 EP3 4/13

H2 EP5 6/31
H3 EP4 NF 4/20
H4 EP2 4/23
H5 scratch
H6 E/EP5 13/57
H7 Scratch
H8 S1 5/45

F1 6 4 2
TT 4 2 6
EPR 6 2 4
FFR 4 6 2
The 8 wins the 2 places
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:39 PM   #66
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I'm out of gas

"I got blisters on my fingers'

$70 win 9
$30 Place 8

My notes
Race 6 MNR 5.5 CL5000 Nw2 since Nov302011

H1 P3 No recent form 30/1 ML no line 6/70
H2 P2 Line 1 moves up after win 3/40
H3 P3 No line 3/12
H4 P1 No line 1/7
H5 P1 No line 4/46 20/1 Ml
H6 Early5 Line 1 7/77
H7 P3 form? 4/38
H8 Early8 NTL line 1 3/12 won last
H9 EP5 Line 1 3/12
H10 P4 Form question 3/31

F1= 8 10 2
TT= 6 9 8
EPR = 6. 8.9
FFR = 2 9 10

Just out of options
70 win 9
$30 place on 8
The 9 wins
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:59 PM   #67
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The #6 horse DOES NOT have a clear advantage at the "second call".
It does, however, have the best second fraction. There is a difference.

When you read the segments screen, you have to read two parts of it in concert with each other.
Let's take F1. It is straight forward, so no further explanation is required.

The second segment DOES NOT represent the "second call", it represents the "second fraction". To understand this, look at "Computerized Beaten Lengths", where it shows the #1 with the advantage at the second call, with the #6 in 4th position at that same point. However, the reason the #6 shows "best" on the segments screen, is because the segment represents the best second fraction horse, not best second call horse. The second segment is clearly labeled "F2" not 2nd call.

Further confirmation of the above is the FPS readout Bill provided. If you read the F1, F2 and SC ratings, this will show the same thing as the information on the "entire" segments screen.

Hope this clears things up for you.

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For the Lead....


Your comments and your time are always respected and duly noted....

My comments about the second call was an error in semantics in using the correct terminology in Sartin readouts....Thanks for the correction...

My opinion about the adjustments still stand as I had put forth...

Sometimes, it is the jockey who made a hasty bold move too early in the race to catch up into contention....

Sometimes, the bold second turn move was directed by the trainer....as a conditioning move....

In today's matchup...the horse who previously made the bold second turn move will not have to and hence have a more efficient run in today's matchup...

Many thanks for all of your input...
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