The Late Pace Rating

[Bill V.]

Hey Mitch
You got me remembering good old entropy I agree with you. I Loved entropy
I still like the format Ted uses. I do see smaller numbers better then I saw in the entropy style. 945 is better than
920 , But I think Doc went to the rankings. And ties because people were eliminating good winners because the numbers were close. People would model and find a entropy of 950
would likely be. "par," and pass up double digit winners
because there readout wold be near but above or below par.

[lone speed]

Entropy was great in getting the second place horse and getting rid of the "one move" horse but it was a lot of disk-swapping and manual data entries..

I believe Entropy is still valid and important in analyzing a race correctly in conjunction with total energy since most races consist of two parts. The fight for the early pace and the horses who can close against today's early pace match up.

Regarding your race in this thread.

I did not looked into your race in depth so I am only taking assumptions.

One:
It looks like there was no true fulcrum hence I am guessing that the top ranked horses in "Factor X" included the winner in this match up.

Two:
Regarding #4 More Hundred Acre;

I am guessing that it had the #1 Factor X ranking and the #1 L/ep ranking

These horses that ranked #1 in both factors in a match-up will outrun its ranking in "total energy".... especially in route races....

They are similar to those "Magic Sartin Sustained" horses..

[Mitch44]

Bill I understand what your saying with the 945 vs. 920 etc. I was referring to the original one where he ranked each category and came up with a line score such as 10,12,15,17 etc. I believe it was handed out at the seminar in Saratoga around 1990 or so. Entropy also evolved later with some additions that helped downgrade those slow horses that is included in V/DC.

Did love it in the ranking mode as it was easily registered in my small brain. Doc always said the difference between any number is always one therefore it didn't display the true difference. He is correct on that but for me it makes more sense that 0.5 vs. 0.8 etc. Same thing but whole numbers to me are more distinctive. Plus I don't think most would get all those 945 & 920 etc ,It would be like lost in the woods and V/DC is the same for most as they just don't understand it. I believe it could be cloned to a more easily understood readout such as the primary line score.
Mitch44

[lone speed]

I worked the race using your pacelines, Bill...

[Mitch44]

lone speed: Beautiful screen shot. Haven't seen the old Energy Generator in awhile. I always liked the Entropy and SPN ( Sartin Pace Number) in here. It would be nice if Ted included them in the upcoming new version.

Mitch44

[Bill V.]

Hi Mitch
How about the DECL numbers from the velocity POR - POH tabs

[Bill V.]

Thanks for the screen shot. Wow that was a nice program
Mitch would you like to see the actual vdc number
The deceler, number

[Mitch44]

Hi Bill; The DECL is a good number and should be used by more ,especially beginners. I also think it would be better placed on the TPR + EL screen as it was an advanced concept
in PMTR but in a more simplistic form such as -16,-8 or +10 etc. Heck if updating beaten lengths why not the original look at deceleration.

Its a great factor and that's the rub with it, in that its a single factor whereas V/DC and Entropy considers several factors to measure deceleration from different parts of the race therefore a more comprehensive approach. No different than looking at a single factor in the Primary LS verses looking at the LS or all the key factors.

Bill I'm not sure I've ever seen the V/DC numbers but have the old Entropy numbers which are probably similar. The Doc added a caveat to the old Entropy in V/DC which makes it superior. I sure don't want to go backwards. For me at least if it ranked the factors in it and came up with a LS it would be clearer or an average of one number such as 92.7 therefore the gaps and differences are much clearer and it could be better employed. The final display really doesn't make much difference as most know little or nothing about it unless they have been around a long time. Numbers on a scale of 100 makes the most sense to most people and Americans. Probably why they like Beyer's numbers so much.

Mitch44