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10-28-2018, 04:12 AM | #1 |
The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Some old school factors that hold up
I happen to have been reading Follow Up #14
This lesson stuck in my mind From Follow Up 14 page 10 From Doc Q and A article So I looked and check the APV numbers for The 5th race at Gold Gate APV ratings Horse 1 > 102 Horse 2 Sratch Horse 3 > 409 Horse 4 Scrach Horse 5 > 111 Horse 6 > 149 Horse 7 > 87 Horse 8 > 186 20/1 off 225 days Pace line is 0 race ! Horse 9 > 137 The 3 has a wild 409 but the 8 also is very high compared to the field. The 8 is 20/1 ML and off over 200 days The first thing I thought of was follow up 14 Should I look closer at this horse? Pace lines don't look too positive after doing my + (+) or O's Look at the workouts. They are awesome, Evenly spaced and fast 5 furlongs. With the 2nd highest APV and those works, I felt okay to use line 3 Even though it is not a + or (+) race But It is at today's track and comparable distance and surface I am not a fan of 5-furlong races. I like to change horses with 5-furlong pacelines to 5.5 furlongs and run the race at 5.5 furlongs. I need to do this with old programs so I used KGEN and Thromation. I entered my lines and then I ran KGEN I used Doc's approach using KGEN. "Any horse who is one of the top 3 on any of the Kgen graphs is a contender." Here the top 3 from each graph SP Raw > 1 8 9 EP Raw > 7 3 9 SP 1 > 1 8 9 EP 1 > 7 3 9 SP 2 > 1 8 9 EP 2 > 7 9 1 "Any horse in the top 3 out the kgen graphs is a contender" So in this race 1,3,7,8,9, are in I will scratch the rest. Here is the Kinetic Generator The 3 will cause the 2 adjust alarm with a big advantage in Total Energy Every horse is Other Then Early. Now I will run Thromation. The first stop screen is the EXCD screen F1= #7 The DPH is #3 The EXDC says 1,9,7 The opposite screen is the SP. F1= 7 DPH= 3 SP says 1 8 9 Now Thromation. 1,8,9 The SP screen matches so I have confirmation. I included the 3 and took out the 9 because of the 3 had so much raw total energy and high APV I guess I mess up not betting the 8 to win. The 20/1 and off 225 days made me just take a stab at a $2 exact 8 over 1 3 The 8 did not come up on RDSS So nothing works all the time. This time what Doc wrote and having the tools in RDSS to see clearly really hot workouts got me past some factors that hardly ever win Thanks Bill Last edited by Bill V.; 10-28-2018 at 10:11 AM. |
10-28-2018, 09:43 AM | #2 |
Grade 1
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: The Villages, Fl.
Posts: 3,705
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I'm not surprised Bill.
I started a thread on 6 Apr.18 called; "Are you using these tools" under Handicapping 101. Trying to get members to do research on APV and CR & CR+ Etc.. I myself prefer CR over CR+. Also gave some examples of a card from OP and their power. These are very underrated tools that remain at the bottom of the tool box if in the tool box at all. I guess no one did the work and research. Work makes players run faster than their horses, only in the opposite direction. Mitch44 |
10-28-2018, 11:53 AM | #3 |
Grade 1
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,151
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Hi Bill
Do you use RDSS to send the PP'S? Jeff |
10-28-2018, 12:34 PM | #4 |
The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
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Horses
Hi Jeff
Yes, I do/did. I used RDSS to pick my contenders/pacelines, Ted has mad the PP"s very complete with lots of tools, I then send my line from RDSS RDSS makes 3 or 4 call RAC. files that work perfectly in programs like Energy, KGEN and Entropy Here I had RDSS make a .Rac file for Race 2 at SA - SA102802 |
10-28-2018, 03:07 PM | #5 |
Grade 1
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,151
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Bill
Ted really did a good job with that being able to send the pace lines over to the older programs. Jeff |
10-31-2018, 07:17 AM | #6 |
Grade 3
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Westbrook, Maine
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Where do you get these wonderful programs? would truly enjoy to try them?
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