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Old 11-20-2009, 01:02 PM   #1
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Hello from Las Vegas!!! on my way to
San Diego I am doing this race while I wait for my connection flight to San Diego
Lets look at race 7 from Hollywood 11/19 6.0 turf

I have made my lines selections in RDSS
I will work the race in Entropy/kgen
I have added my line selection thoughts in a Tick box
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Old 11-20-2009, 01:05 PM   #2
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Old 11-20-2009, 01:07 PM   #3
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Old 11-20-2009, 01:09 PM   #4
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ok I have to board

I will type lines into Entropy/kgen and
make selections
on the plane ride to San Diego

Next stop San Diego

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Old 11-20-2009, 05:37 PM   #5
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Some entropy readouts

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I made the 6 a 6 furlong race by adding 2 6.2 seconds to its final time of 56.0
I left the Favorite as a 8.0 distance
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:40 PM   #6
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En Gen and Velocity

Here is the engen with all the horses entered
I make my first hides from the Velocity pars screen
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:42 PM   #7
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Down to 5

Now I get the race down to 5 horses

The readouts on the sort and Kgraphs say
My best are the 4 and 5


Hope they run
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Old 11-20-2009, 10:33 PM   #8
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A chance to make a noteworthy comparison or is it just not relevant

There are several horses in this race that either have only run turf sprints on the Santa Anita 6.5 down the hill course or have only run flat sprints at Hollywood or other places. I think this is an opportunity to draw some rough parallels for the jump between the 6.5t race and flat races.

Look at the #3 Precious Union who has run races on flat sprints with adjust speed ratings of 85 85 81 and down the hill at 73 77 76 75 78 while being relatively competitive on each course. We might be able to note for future reference that 77 78 down the hill is equivalent to 85 or so on the flats. Anyone have any other info on these races?

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Old 11-21-2009, 01:24 AM   #9
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Results: 3 nosed out the 10

Well, one race does not make a rule, but perhaps we can find some useful information to help us later. I put the best 6 and 6.5 Turf races in for the winning 3 and the only 6.5 race from the 10. I left in the rest of MY original contenders, Not Bill V's. In my set up I used line 3 from #3 an 85 from Hol. You can see that the 3 also ran a 78 and a 79 at SA - 6.5 turf and that the only turf sprint for the 10 was a 79 adjusted speed rating. So its possible that the 10 improved, but off best lines at Hol and SA turf sprints it appears that 6.5 furlong turfers with adjust speed ratings of 78 or 79 are equivalent to a Hollywood 6f adjusted speed ratings of 85. So you can add 7 or 6 pts to a SA 6.5 Turf sprint adjusted speed rating to gain some form of approximation to the flat Hollywood sprint adjust speed rating.

If you have some old races see how it works.

One thing for sure. Even if you put a Holly 85 up against an SA 79 you will probably not be able to make sense of the velocity readings and maybe any other corollary readings because the internal fractions and the downhill portion of the SA race distorts the 1F, 2F and 3F info. (see the 2F info from the 6.5 races being low vs the Holly 6F and the 3F readings very high - this last is also a manifestation of the about distance that this race is run at. If I remember correctly the true distance is a little short of 6.5 furlongs, which by itself would make the 3F readings look fast.) The program favors the horse with the higher adjusted speed rating. See the Bl/Bl screen.

Good luck this weekend,


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Old 11-21-2009, 08:36 AM   #10
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well This surely was a Race of interest
Bill Lyster's work opens up questions
and I appreciate the effort and ideas
Looking back The 3 shows some issus with the hill
so being back and in form on the flat was the key
Bill's view of using flat and hill lines in a program
like entropy fit my mindset and that is why I avoided
them

Well nether the 4 or 5 ran very well
but I hope I shared some of my thoughts
and the race helps you

Thanks Bill and to all who looked in

Bill
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