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Old 08-30-2008, 08:54 PM   #1
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Eratic horses

How do we handle the Romero's of this world when they Match our Projected Pace???


Any thoughts are greatly appreciated

*** Charlie - Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean by erratic? ** Richie P ***
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Old 08-31-2008, 06:09 AM   #2
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Here are the full pp's for Charlies race. Can you give us a heads up on whether there were any scratches please?

Because he mentioned a proj pace (the ONLY races I FOCUS on) and I didn't work Philly yesterday (no idea result) I looked at the race.

I don't know if there were any scratches but if the #6 raced there is my perfect projected pace horse using an EARLY horse.

I got the race fairly quick to 2 horses. From there we go forward.

If you do NOT know the result and want to participate maybe we could look at this one.

IF the #6 raced this race has a lot of good vibes man. Win lose or draw. I'm serious.

1) PERFECT proj pace 1c-2c
2) Mind's Eye thread relevance
3) Multiple pace line "looks"
4) Early or O.T.E.

If the #6 scratched I have absolutely NO interest in the race. Let's wait on Charlie to give us a heads up on scratches.

Here is the field with no marks of any kind.

I'll be in and out here today because I am helping my neighbor move.
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Old 08-31-2008, 06:10 AM   #3
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Old 08-31-2008, 08:00 AM   #4
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Project pace from # 6 Means to win. 22.1

OTE

Looks like a two contenders to me.

#1 Prarie Lites and
# 10 Smilin Riley

I haven't looked at the results. I'll take #1 Prarie Lites.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:51 AM   #5
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Rich Charlie and Steve

I would think the 6 would be on the lead .. I am seeing it early
The tandem race from July 13th race against the 1 and the 10
# 6 had to fight and was third behind much faster than anyone
can do in this race

I see the race Early 6 winning

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Old 08-31-2008, 09:52 AM   #6
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No scratches Richie

** Bingo! OK thanks C. ** RichieP
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Old 08-31-2008, 10:52 AM   #7
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#6 Means to Win is my pick to win the race.

Running styles taking 1st impression QUICK:
1) Pre
2) Ugly
3) Ugly
4) Ugly
5) E/p
6) Early 1st fraction - 22.1 (tenths) races 1-2-6
7) Ugly
8) Ugly
9) Early/Press 1st fraction - 22.4 (tenths) is NO longer considered early. Press
10) Press

Look at all pp's and note races of others against today's proj pace at 1c paying close attention to positioning at 1c.

A) I am tossing #5 now as I move through. Only successful race against today pp is 5 lines down and in the last 4 races has gotten worse against SLOWER 1st calls. Hat calls that "not being able to get on top of slower fractions". #5 is now OUT win lose or draw.


See 1st screen shot for my "look" at this point. The #6 is an absolute lone early horse showing 2 races consisting of multi call and stretch call FIGHTING in those lines. All the other horses are NOW going to have to run the #6's fractions or pace of race. 22.1 - 45.2

Here is the cherry again win lose or draw. LOOK at line 3 for the #6. I believe in one of the Mind's Eye threads you will see my post about the POWER of an early horse who can ALSO run OTE with a POWER MOVE. Jim repeatedly got me charged up about this. He LOVED these tigers man!

Ok line 3 the #6 races against a FASTER 1c and from 2nd position (OTE) now he goes on to POWER MOVE and HAMMER the race winning easily.

THIS horse is the same exact horse from the Mind's Eye thread. They have just changed names that's all. Find that horse then look at this #6. EXACT SAME HORSE.

2nd screen shot shows me adding that 3rd line down for #6.

I have no "other horse" in this race though the #1 runs closest to him. #6.

Only thing I will add is I need at least 2/1 to BET the guy. I look at line 2 where the #6 wired and won. I think that very well happens here. He was 2/1 there and if they give me 2/1 or better here I bite.
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Old 08-31-2008, 10:57 AM   #8
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Hi guys

Pace was Projected off #6 @ 22.1 - 45.2



Richie, sorry, i missed your question in my original post

By erratic, i mean horses that run a good race, then a poor one

it is knowing when and when not to chuck these i'm having real difficulties with
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A) I am tossing #5 now as I move through. Only successful race against today pp is 5 lines down and in the last 4 races has gotten worse against SLOWER 1st calls. Hat calls that "not being able to get on top of slower fractions". #5 is now OUT win lose or draw.

did not spot this and this is where i went wrong in this race
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:43 AM   #10
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Hello Charlie

Quote:
By erratic, i mean horses that run a good race, then a poor one

Have you ever worked with horses by using the you are the owner of a stable method
You track a number of horses
Doc advices some early some late and mostly Early and Pressure running style horses

It is In the yellow manual, and early follow ups
I think its helpful
I think its a good tool to see how some horses need
a narrow or wide pace of race to win against
and also learn about the fighter in a horse

GS
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