Wild E/L graph sticks - Pace and Cap

RichieP · 04-26-2009, 07:47 AM

3 year old fillies.

Look at the E/L sticks for this race today at Tampa. 4 of them 16 or higher.

All horses happen to have BLF less than 7.5 too!

Wild sticks. Interesting race

Bill V. · 04-26-2009, 08:51 AM

Hi Rich

Looking at your readouts I would agree with what the bottom line betting line
is showing. With so much early wild sticks the too lowest balance horses
are the top 2 BLBL and VDC horses. This is telling me that they have good early and late readouts on EEP and LEP Early and Late ENERGY Potenial
The 4 is a top 3 class race (Yellow Box) horse
I will look at the race but looking at all those wild early fingers,
remember thumbs, foots and pinkys! I bet they also have over 70 Med energy

GS
Bill

RichieP · 04-26-2009, 08:58 AM

Hey Bill!
Didn't Doc write in some of the followups about 3 yr filles expending their energy early? Not sure but something is hitting me saying he did.

Maybe that explains these big sticks?

here are the med energy reads

Bill V. · 04-26-2009, 09:35 AM

Yes Rich

I'm sure the follow up your referring to will come to me - probably some morning when I'm away from the computer

Getting back to something from your post from yesterday about the +100
race class

This race is full of wild earlys and its a VERY low 65 race class
You would think a strong closer would win with all this fast early
pressure but with a 65 RC is there a stong closer? Or are the late runners
just horses that follow horses that follow other horses

I think theres a joke like that.

noddub62 · 04-26-2009, 12:14 PM

Hey Bill,

Would you explain the "thumbs, foots and pinkys" on the sticks? I know that you have in the past and that you use it in your capping but I can't find it and can't remember how you applied it.

Richie, I'm glad you're offically hooked up with Ted on support. That will be a good marriage I think. Take care of the back dude.

Both you take care,

Budman

Bill V. · 04-26-2009, 01:21 PM

Sure thing bud

Welcome to Binderland

and also from Lost and Found

I used to use my fingers as a guide to remember how each
horse used its energy on the Early late graph

It went like this. I always work with 5 horses so I used my five fingers
to name the horse I was looking at

I would hold my right hand in front of me, with my palm up facing me.
Doing this my thumb was towards my right and my pinky was towards the
left I would name the horse with the biggest early stick the thumb
the next biggest early horse would be the index finder the horse
closes to the center was the middle finger the horse next late was the ring
finger and the latest horse was the pinky. I would make betting decisions
based on the early late graph and blbl and for fun and focus instead of the program number I would say I'm betting the thumb and the ring fingers
or the pinky and the index Richie who always made me laugh
started calling horses foots so we changed the wild early
horses to foots.
Bill

Tim Y · 04-26-2009, 02:01 PM

The e/l CAN be the major factor to consider at many a speed favoring oval OR, on days when, by monitoring it race to race, A DEFINITE BIAS shows up.I can't begin to tell you what an advantage it is to know, IN ADVANCE, how the track will run all day long

STYLE over SUBSTANCE is the essence of this idea that I first discovered at BOTH inner Aqueduct and Fort Erie (opens next weekend thankfully). Many horses, once the e/l range of a particular track and distance is established, can be evaluated mainly on how their energy style compares to what wins at their track on THIS day.

A second level to the e/l is RELATIVITY. Since I started following the methodology, SPEED beats stamina all the time and the relative positions of the e/l will tell you which ones have speed and which have stamina (closing ability against this pace today). E/L relativity on the dirt is there all the time once the extremes of the e/l (mostly all on the negative side) are dismissed.

The Derby will show this I predict, yet again.

All of this coming from a West coaster, who did not discover, nor BELIEVE in track bias, until I abandoned the West coast ovals. Since they all turned SYNTHETIC, that has been a good thing.

RichieP · 04-26-2009, 03:51 PM

Result:
Thanks all for feedback

04-26-2009, 07:47 AM	#1
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Wild E/L graph sticks 3 year old fillies. Look at the E/L sticks for this race today at Tampa. 4 of them 16 or higher. All horses happen to have BLF less than 7.5 too! Wild sticks. Interesting race Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!" Last edited by RichieP; 04-26-2009 at 07:54 AM.

04-26-2009, 08:51 AM	#2
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	70 Med Hi Rich Looking at your readouts I would agree with what the bottom line betting line is showing. With so much early wild sticks the too lowest balance horses are the top 2 BLBL and VDC horses. This is telling me that they have good early and late readouts on EEP and LEP Early and Late ENERGY Potenial The 4 is a top 3 class race (Yellow Box) horse I will look at the race but looking at all those wild early fingers, remember thumbs, foots and pinkys! I bet they also have over 70 Med energy GS Bill

04-26-2009, 08:58 AM	#3
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Hey Bill! Didn't Doc write in some of the followups about 3 yr filles expending their energy early? Not sure but something is hitting me saying he did. Maybe that explains these big sticks? here are the med energy reads Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

04-26-2009, 09:35 AM	#4
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	sure did Yes Rich I'm sure the follow up your referring to will come to me - probably some morning when I'm away from the computer Getting back to something from your post from yesterday about the +100 race class This race is full of wild earlys and its a VERY low 65 race class You would think a strong closer would win with all this fast early pressure but with a 65 RC is there a stong closer? Or are the late runners just horses that follow horses that follow other horses I think theres a joke like that.

04-26-2009, 12:14 PM	#5
noddub62 Budman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 797	thumbs, foots and pinkys Hey Bill, Would you explain the "thumbs, foots and pinkys" on the sticks? I know that you have in the past and that you use it in your capping but I can't find it and can't remember how you applied it. Richie, I'm glad you're offically hooked up with Ted on support. That will be a good marriage I think. Take care of the back dude. Both you take care, Budman

04-26-2009, 01:21 PM	#6
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Palm Sure thing bud Welcome to Binderland and also from Lost and Found I used to use my fingers as a guide to remember how each horse used its energy on the Early late graph It went like this. I always work with 5 horses so I used my five fingers to name the horse I was looking at I would hold my right hand in front of me, with my palm up facing me. Doing this my thumb was towards my right and my pinky was towards the left I would name the horse with the biggest early stick the thumb the next biggest early horse would be the index finder the horse closes to the center was the middle finger the horse next late was the ring finger and the latest horse was the pinky. I would make betting decisions based on the early late graph and blbl and for fun and focus instead of the program number I would say I'm betting the thumb and the ring fingers or the pinky and the index Richie who always made me laugh started calling horses foots so we changed the wild early horses to foots. Bill

04-26-2009, 02:01 PM	#7
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	The e/l CAN be the major factor to consider at many a speed favoring oval OR, on days when, by monitoring it race to race, A DEFINITE BIAS shows up.I can't begin to tell you what an advantage it is to know, IN ADVANCE, how the track will run all day long STYLE over SUBSTANCE is the essence of this idea that I first discovered at BOTH inner Aqueduct and Fort Erie (opens next weekend thankfully). Many horses, once the e/l range of a particular track and distance is established, can be evaluated mainly on how their energy style compares to what wins at their track on THIS day. A second level to the e/l is RELATIVITY. Since I started following the methodology, SPEED beats stamina all the time and the relative positions of the e/l will tell you which ones have speed and which have stamina (closing ability against this pace today). E/L relativity on the dirt is there all the time once the extremes of the e/l (mostly all on the negative side) are dismissed. The Derby will show this I predict, yet again. All of this coming from a West coaster, who did not discover, nor BELIEVE in track bias, until I abandoned the West coast ovals. Since they all turned SYNTHETIC, that has been a good thing. __________________ Albert Einstein:"The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind."

04-26-2009, 03:51 PM	#8
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Result: Thanks all for feedback Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!" Last edited by RichieP; 04-26-2009 at 05:15 PM. Reason: had the wrong result chart up

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