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Old 08-24-2012, 03:20 PM   #1
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Synergism without RDSS

I thought I would start this thread for people using Synergism the old
fashioned way.


Straight from Doc's mouth

Because of the way Synergism is able to auto adjust the data there is
no reason for any small adjustments to be made.Therefore giving the
user more time to pick thier own pacelines.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:15 PM   #2
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Hi Jeff

Can you give us an example race?

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Old 08-24-2012, 06:49 PM   #3
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Shoe raw

hello Jeff

here is race 8 from Pen tonight I did the race completely raw and entered my lines and set up times by hand

Here is the first screen
I said yes to shippers because of the different surfaces and distances
of the pacelines I used
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To keep it simple I used basic phase 1 to pick my lines
and get down to 5 contenders

I sorted the race by FW
My set up times are from the 3 horses with 8.0 pacelines
The 3 year best is 136.3

BTW the fulcrum is 113.3 140.1 and is also one of the setup times

here is race 8 raw
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:59 PM   #4
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here is the race fully adjusted by RDSS

Adjusted lines
same race race 8 Penn 8/24

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:37 PM   #5
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Raw

In the 8th race at Penn doing the race as well as I can as per the manual
and using raw data, Proved to be the way to go

The raw number using 3 set up times and the 3 year best
has the win place and show 1 7 8 right on top
The adjusted did not do well at all
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Jeff may be on to something This really was not that hard to do
If Ted could make it so that the shipper and set up times could be entered
by hand first, then the raw pacelines I think Jeff is correct that the program should make the adjustments not RDSS

BTW here is the RDSS BLBL using the same lines
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:56 PM   #6
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Bill,

Way to go by looking at your dream race the 1 owned the 1st and 3rd
fractions so pretty much looked like a lock.


I really havent played anything the last 3 weeks as the cards have looked
really bad.The next time I see an interesting race I will post it.

I dont know if you have done it or not but listen to those Synergism tapes
as Doc gives a great presentation on the dream race.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:09 AM   #7
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Quote:
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I thought I would start this thread for people using Synergism the old
fashioned way.


Straight from Doc's mouth

Because of the way Synergism is able to auto adjust the data there is
no reason for any small adjustments to be made.Therefore giving the
user more time to pick thier own pacelines.
Using New Pace2 contenders selection and find the winner using Syn2 probabilities converted to odds.
Ratings and wgts are given to the horse's factors and the totals are then converted to probabilities and then again into odds.
The odds are then compared to post time odds for a final decision on how to bet the race

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Old 09-29-2012, 10:34 AM   #8
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Pino,

Nice Job
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:48 AM   #9
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That's an interesting approach, Pino.

Here's what I came up with doing the race manually.

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_vi...ate=2012-09-28

I used #5 Lagoon's second race back for the pace variant of 45 3/5
I used #4 Bill Senior's race of July 27th for the final time variant of 112
For the track record I used the actual track record of 107 4/5

*Note- the only adjustment I made was -0.16 for #6 A Brew In Th Woods paceline at TDN. Normally I don't make track class adjustments for three year olds, but seeing at this was a maiden win from a cheaper track I did in this instance. One could easily argue that's not the correct paceline to use. A little birdie told me to use that line. I can't explain it further.

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#6 A Brew In Th Woods is almost a win bet. The "3" rating in DR would have made me sit this one out.

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Old 09-29-2012, 12:07 PM   #10
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Thanks Pino and David

Here is the race using Phase 1 for contenders
and sending the adjusted lines from RDSS
Not exactly 1 click but pretty easy

step 1 = TPR last line every horse
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step 2 = Pick lines for top 5 TPR horses
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step 3 = Send adjusted lines to syn2 bet the top 2 FW tie break with DR

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