Sire Stats 2009

[bobp]

This is another great tool you can get from www.tsnhorse.com Cost is $40.00 and gives update data on strengths and weaknesses of over 5,000
stallions. The only book of its kind that gives an A+ list of top synthethic sires based on wins over the Polytrack,Tapeta,and Cushion tracks.

Broken down in to five categories, the ratings are strict requirements on win% and minimum starts.

Anyone who was using this to Cap Saturdays G-2 Louisiana Derby would have easily had the winner and the tri and super.

Bobp

[Ted Craven]

Bob,

Can you suggest how the sire info helped you tighten up the betting choices for some of those bets (e.g. how the #8 was possibly a win or place contender, or how the #3 was neither). I know you wrote saying the whole gang was right there, which it was for me too, though I chose not to bet it.

Thanks,

Ted

[Tim Y]

Breedings are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to one another

all from Natalma
1961 NORTHERN DANCER,c,Nearctic 2 18 14 2 2 580,647 81.91
DP = 8-16-15-3-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.69
At 2 Won Remsen S (25,000), Coronation Futurity (20,000), Summer S
(10,000), Carleton S (7,500), 2nd Cup And Saucer S (15,000), Vandal S
(7,500)
At 3 Won Preakness S (150,000), Kentucky Derby *Nt (125,000), Flamingo S
(100,000), Florida Derby (100,000), Queen's Plate (50,000), Blue
Grass S (25,000), 3rd Belmont S (125,000)

1963 Arctic Dancer,f,Nearctic 1 2 0 1 0 2,500 3.68
DP = 8-16-15-3-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.69
At 2 2nd My Dear S (10,000)

1966 Northern Native,c,Nearctic 2 13 4 1 3 19,150 3.19
DP = 8-16-15-3-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.69
At 3 2nd Plate Trial (10,000), 3rd Toronto Cup H (10,000)
1967 Barren
1968 Northern Ace,c,Nearctic 3 22 5 4 3 15,960 1.52
DP = 8-16-15-3-0 DI = 3.00 CD = 0.69

same "theoretical" genes but NOT the same outcome

You can repeat the breedings over and over
=broodmare ROMANELLA (ITY), 1943, =El Greco (Ity)- =Barbara Burrini (Ity) by *Papyrus.

1952 *RIBOT,c,=Tenerani (Ity)
DP = 2-6-2-2-2 DI = 1.80 CD = 0.29
At 2 Won Gran Criterium (ITY), Criterium Nazionale (ITY)
At 3 Won Prix De L'arc De Triomphe (FR), Pr Del Jockey Club (ITY), Pr
Emanuele Filiberto (ITY), Pr Pisa (ITY), Pr Besana (ITY)
At 4 Won Pr Del Piazzale (ITY), Prix De L'arc De Triomphe (FR), King
George 6th & Queen Elizabeth S (ENG), Gp Di Milano (ITY)

1957 =Rosselina (Ity),f,=Tenerani (Ity) Unraced
DP = 2-6-2-2-2 DI = 1.80 CD = 0.29
1958 *Rousseau 2nd,c,=Owen Tudor (Gb) Unraced
DP = 8-8-10-4-2 DI = 1.91 CD = 0.50
1961 =Romagnola (Gb),f,=Tenerani (Ity) Unraced
DP = 2-6-2-2-2 DI = 1.80 CD = 0.29

The randomness of genes at cross over make their expression in the same phenotype a guessing game.

4 or 5 breedings between Fair Play and Mahuba produced two stakes winners:Man O'War and his good sister who won minor stakes.....

[Tim Y]

pace and performance gets the same outcome. out of the top four, three hit the board.

[Ted Craven]

Tim,

That makes it soo much clearer . And so relevant to this race, as well...

Bob - your thoughts?

Ted

[Ted Craven]

Tim,

As a moderator, I'm telling you in plain language that you cannot post like this. Your 5 preceding posts in which you supply 'DATA' to document your point of view that breeding stats are fraught and not part of the Methodology (despite sharing Doc's point of view), are 4 posts too many. We get the point! 1 post should do - the rest are, with respect, a form of high class (though tangential) SPAM, what to speak of over-kill. I don't even want to get into a discussion about why you should want to make your point like this over and over and over again. It feels like a sledge-hammer.

You succeeded in blowing the original poster out of the water, hogging and effectively shutting down the discussion. And that is not acceptable. Please tell me which 4 of your posts you would like me to delete. If you have no preference, I will delete them all after the first one (excepting the one with the screenshot).

No need to cry censorship - this is censorship. Your present style of expressing dissenting opinion is unacceptable for these Forums and you need to figure out a different way to do it. Starting real soon, please.

Ted

[noddub62]

Thanks, Ted

[mikesal57]

man...I just woke up at 6:30am and started to catch up on yesterdays post...
I'm now rubbing my eyes, scratching my head....I just wanna jump back in bed and put my head under the pillow

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mike

[Ted Craven]

4 posts of Tim Y were deleted, per above warning.

Ted

[Bill Lyster]

Thank you Ted,

Bill