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Old 07-01-2012, 11:02 PM   #1
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Sartin Seminar Woodbine July 7

Woodbine has a Sartin Master Seminar, wow, a Dr. too
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:36 PM   #2
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Join me at Woodbine July 7

This is our old friend Tim Y, now a resident of Toronto and working at Woodbine in some capacity or other. (Also known as 46zilzal on PaceAdvantage.com). Whatever people may think of his 'communication skills' here and elsewhere, IMO, the man knows his Sartin Methodology and is well qualified to speak and teach about it.

For the record, I have no involvement with this seminar. However, I will be at Woodbine next Saturday July 7 (perhaps Sunday as well), attending that seminar, and working the races in Champions lounge as usual during the afternoon. Anyone who wants to see RDSS and learn more about the Modern Sartin Methodology in action, or follow up on what they may learn in the above seminar, is welcomed to join me and whomever else shows up for the day. I will bring power bars and cables for computers.

See you there!

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Old 07-02-2012, 12:02 AM   #3
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Thanks Ted,
I remember 46 and wish I could be there to see you guys, I see about finding a load to Toronto, or Buffalo, and maybe sneak up there , but not too likely.

I did not mean my post to sound negative, I just wondered who he was, now I know, and wish I could be there.

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Old 07-03-2012, 11:03 PM   #4
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He mentioned on his site that he is going to focus on the wagering side of things more. I wish I could go, but no passport.

Anyway, nice to see tracks doing things to help people learn the game.
My two cents - WO is my favorite track.
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:38 PM   #5
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Ted, PK, Tom,
There is no doubt TY knows the Sartin Methodology and we crossed paths many times over on PA which I don't frequent any more. TY welcome to TO, but bloom and come out of your opinionated shell, the laws of probability will always be against you, and this is no slight.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:44 PM   #6
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How did it go?

I am curious how it went for those who there this last weekend?

Wis I could be there, but I was out west.

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Old 07-09-2012, 03:17 PM   #7
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Hey Patrick
It was pretty vague, he painted a broad picture of the Sartin methodology but didn't get into the fine details. His thoughts on betting were basic and i didn't take alot from it, mind you he only had an hour or so to convey all of this so he kept it simple. You didn't miss much except for some coffee and cookies, both Ted and I missed out on the $50 giveaways.

They will post the seminar on the Woodbine site eventually if you want to watch it.

http://www.woodbineentertainment.com...narVideos.aspx

Other than that it was a fun day at Woodbine.
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Old 07-09-2012, 03:56 PM   #8
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Thanks , nice videos in there, great stuff


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Old 07-09-2012, 05:55 PM   #9
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trotman,
Excellent, paceline selection is the KEY.

In addition, Class Rating, Race Rating, and Prime Power Ratings from Brisnet are supporting data.

Pace versus these factors points out Value Plays

Incuding measures for speed at the track and distance ratings sets parameters for the Pace versus other ratings.

Who wins that battle produces value plays.







Players who cannot merge the same data on multiple programs do this because of different paceline selection, perhaps limited by ability of the program to choose two types of varying Speed Ratings coupled with an applied point system.

Sartinesque Pacing then gives one photo of projected fininsh while a non photo type of projection is given from data implied in pace but a little more distinct from pace.

I will bet multiple Value Plays on wins and especially on exactas,
yet tifectas and superfectas require resources and much ticket planning
so I will stay with wins and exactas.

It is amazing how hard favorites have in winning their one third of the races.
Yet. without chalk players I have no value plays.

I imagine all players set their own criteria and odds parameters when looking for Value Plays.

It does require a mindset change involving frustration and toleration of ones
weaknesses.
At present I am about halfway there.
Of course, this is not the way for must win mentality players, since you will lose more often than you win but payoffs balance that out.
For me my handicapping weaknesses are worthy challenges for improvement.

Good luck to one and all in your horse racing adventures.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:35 PM   #10
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Joseph,
For 40 years I worked alongside a very good handicapper by the name of Andy Smitts. Andy worked alongside of Ray Taulbot and I had the benifit of seeing the last work and notes of those two great handicappers. Where Ray could take a paceline from anywhere in the published lines from his early articles in ATM and his books this changed over time when the form started to list call times and such. I could never put into words what Michael Pizzolla wrote in his classic book Handicapping Magic with regards to the mindset of selecting pacelines but in my opinion it's a must read. It's not about him telling you which lines to pick, it's more about the reasoning about which are the best lines to pick. Then as Doc Sartin would say work a few lines fore and aft to see if the line is most representitive of the horse. I will say that every race and every horse is like a fresh snowflake, no two alike. If all my work matches closely to the track and distance profile, I could be on to something. I never step back should I miss because if in my gut that was the bet in the end it works out. The articles that Ray Taulbot wrote in his last 10 years was the culmination of his and Andy's work. Andy passed away on Mar. 13th 2010 and left me with everything he and Ray ever worked on that was never published.
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