class structure

[Tim Y]

It simply doesn't exist amongst the horses running against each other in TODAY'S race but is only the very SUBJECTIVE evaluation of the worth of the animal by it's connections. There is no TYPICAL $________K (put in the dollar amount here) claimer, but only those that are in the $_________K race on today's card.

Class structures are baloney and most folks treat them like compartmentalized barriers...Let them

[tom]

Then why do horses with competitive times not run and win larger purses?

[albatross]

Tim can't say agree with that even when race agianst each other more than once.Like you said no to race's a like.One may not have been out to win or you wouldn't bet a MNR clm 5,000 price agianst 20,000or 10,000 tag at AQU on a regular basis even if sartin stand out remenber said regular basis.
You have to consider what price he did what and what he did recently and most inportant what do you expect today.That if understand what you meant.One more thing if 3 horse have been faceing each other on regular basis and suppose one since last time they ment one ran for couple thousand then these horse regularly run for and those three are meating agian today especialy if the one faced higher class last race even if other two had beat him before.As that higher price was more demanding in a way as stamana or spd that could give him edge today.Only my opinion which ate much.But talbart brohammer and just about any of the author's you can think there is a class ladder.There is only light that is something man makes.Now darkness is not made it is just absence of it same with class we make it because some horse are worth more then other's.Because how they perform on the ladder

[Tim Y]

Horses in today's race are all that should be evaluated TODAY's match up not some THEORETICAL class structure.

Some are rising and others are falling off form. There IS NO SET 10k horse only what there is today.

[Tim Y]

Class structure serves a purpose is letting the horsemen know what OTHER HORSEMAN subjectively believe the theoretical level their horse should be placed. However, the objective realities of that level are never known until THAT field comes together. To think that every $10,000 field is even CLOSE to the same is folly.

[albatross]

Tim no question you are right about that 10 clm are not equal crossing track's.Big A is supeior to say suffolk.But so is spd one trk may have supeior but not same.A 5,000 clm may run frist quarter 21 flat just like 50,000 clm the difference how fast they stop that is where better horse prevail.

[Tim Y]

Malarkey: if Roger Clemens pitched for the Podunk Junction Zephyrs he would still be the pitcher he is:whether he pitched in Podunk or New York City. If the ability is there, it transcends the locale.

It is closed mindedness like that the allowed a horse like Tahana ( a LOWLY FORT ERIE horse) to be overlooked when it ran in today's Woodbine 10th, to win at 60/1.

HORSES run, they don't know WHO they are running against and have the good sense to just run no matter if it is Penn National or Santa Anita.

[albatross]

Tim roger was on a team that was a contender if he had been on detroit few year back would not have record that super stats he has as the rest of the team did aid with defense.Guess it is all how you look at it not trying to change your mind just giveing different view.Different trk's make different horse AQU to river downs made loser at new york winner at ohio works for me.

[For The Lead]

Tim, I think you have it backwards. You took one of the best pitchers in baseball history and said he could pitch the same for "PODUNK". The question is, could the best pitcher at "PODUNK" pitch in the major leagues? Under your theory, the answer would be 'yes'. I'm sure Secretariat could have run anywhere against any horse and won. The question was, could any 3500k claimer run against Secretariat and WIN? I don't think so.

[Tim Y]

The horse, like the human counterpart of a great baseball player, will run, or in this case THROW the ball, the same way should he be ANYWHERE.

The INDIVIDUAL trumps any man made, subjective, at a distance, 2nd hand evaluation of what they can or cannot do. It is ONLY the individual who moves up/same/down with other INDIVIDUALS and they take THEIR OWN RACE PP's with them, so is is ONLY the individual that is assessed.